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> Please, stop taking menial salaries. You live in such a huge bubble if you think that's a reasonable thing to say. Yes, us techies enjoy very nice perks and

> Please, stop taking menial salaries. You live in such a huge bubble if you think that's a reasonable thing to say. Yes, us techies enjoy very nice perks and big salaries, due to us working in a hot sector of the economy and whatnot. But the vast masses out there are not so lucky.

Frondo 12y ago
And it makes you wonder how much higher those salaries could be if we could somehow organize in some collective kinda way, and demand a bigger piece of the pie for our side of the management/worker equation...
- Florin_Andrei 12y ago
  TBH, I'm not so much worried about those in our line of work. We're doing comparatively fine. But there are a lot of folks out there who are hurting. If I wasn't a nerdy kid who toyed with computers in school, I'd be in a very different place right now. Once that's much less nice. (But yes, you're right in principle.)
  - AnthonyMouse 12y ago
    > TBH, I'm not so much worried about those in our line of work. We're doing comparatively fine. That's not really what it's about though. The upper middle class is what drives the economy. The super rich are not the job creators, the almost rich are. You give an extra $25K/year to a multi-millionaire and it changes nothing for them, but to someone making $150K/year they're not making so much that it doesn't affect their spending. And the almost-rich buy services. They pay people to do the jobs you can't outsource and you don't need a degree to do. So if you want to help the poor, go ask your boss for a raise and then spend the money.
    - swatow 12y ago
      Jobs are not an externality. If you want to help the poor, give money to charity.
- ryandvm 12y ago
  I would rather my salary be proportional to my skill instead of my tenure.
  - Frondo 12y ago
    Of course, any workplace union is free to negotiate the terms for how its workers are compensated on its own. Connecting salary to length of employment is just one way. A hypothetical new software-themed union could define another scheme for a pay scale. (And as a side note, for my part, I would rather my salary be defined as simply as "as much as I can get" rather than my skill or my tenure.)
angersock 12y ago
And those masses have failed to vote in such a way as to address the long-term issues facing them. At this point, we pretty much have to do whatever we can to get out ahead--so, let's all try to get higher salaries...least of all because whatever work we do is pretty much directly what enables the shafting and monetization of those masses, and once we too hit the bread lines they aren't going to be trying to help us one bit. EDIT: I'm not saying let's go smoke cigars and blare "Kill the Poor" out of our Teslas--I'm saying that, at this point, we need to optimize for our sector of the working class. Denying ourselves the chance at higher wages because other people are getting screwed only means we're going to get caught up in the machine too.

Frondo 12y ago

And it makes you wonder how much higher those salaries could be if we could somehow organize in some collective kinda way, and demand a bigger piece of the pie for our side of the management/worker equation...

Florin_Andrei 12y ago
TBH, I'm not so much worried about those in our line of work. We're doing comparatively fine. But there are a lot of folks out there who are hurting. If I wasn't a nerdy kid who toyed with computers in school, I'd be in a very different place right now. Once that's much less nice. (But yes, you're right in principle.)
- AnthonyMouse 12y ago
  > TBH, I'm not so much worried about those in our line of work. We're doing comparatively fine. That's not really what it's about though. The upper middle class is what drives the economy. The super rich are not the job creators, the almost rich are. You give an extra $25K/year to a multi-millionaire and it changes nothing for them, but to someone making $150K/year they're not making so much that it doesn't affect their spending. And the almost-rich buy services. They pay people to do the jobs you can't outsource and you don't need a degree to do. So if you want to help the poor, go ask your boss for a raise and then spend the money.
  - swatow 12y ago
    Jobs are not an externality. If you want to help the poor, give money to charity.
ryandvm 12y ago
I would rather my salary be proportional to my skill instead of my tenure.
- Frondo 12y ago
  Of course, any workplace union is free to negotiate the terms for how its workers are compensated on its own. Connecting salary to length of employment is just one way. A hypothetical new software-themed union could define another scheme for a pay scale. (And as a side note, for my part, I would rather my salary be defined as simply as "as much as I can get" rather than my skill or my tenure.)

angersock 12y ago

And those masses have failed to vote in such a way as to address the long-term issues facing them. At this point, we pretty much have to do whatever we can to get out ahead--so, let's all try to get higher salaries...least of all because whatever work we do is pretty much directly what enables the shafting and monetization of those masses, and once we too hit the bread lines they aren't going to be trying to help us one bit. EDIT: I'm not saying let's go smoke cigars and blare "Kill the Poor" out of our Teslas--I'm saying that, at this point, we need to optimize for our sector of the working class. Denying ourselves the chance at higher wages because other people are getting screwed only means we're going to get caught up in the machine too.