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> Instead, they come from groups that cause a lot of harm in order to acquire the money from selling those drugs. Yes, legalizing responsible production would l

> Instead, they come from groups that cause a lot of harm in order to acquire the money from selling those drugs. Yes, legalizing responsible production would largely fix this problem, but a current purchase still funds a horrible group. So basically, to rephrase, the existence of the law is what makes the law necessary. It's almost tautological. IF it were treated as a public health problem (Portugal apparently did this with some success), Ross might have been hailed as a leader of a new economy and the IRS coffers might have been a bit heavier. Instead, the intelligent, optimistic, apparently caring mind who wrote this, is rotting in jail: http://rossman.deviantart.com/journal/something-new-249871164 http://rossman.deviantart.com/journal/something-new-24987116... How many of us would have at least considered hiring a hitman if someone threatened to make our black-market 100 million dollar empire go away and have us get sent to jail? More than would be comfortable admitting it, if they looked deep into their hearts, I'm guessing.

Lawtonfogle 12y ago
>So basically, to rephrase, the existence of the law is what makes the law necessary. It's almost tautological. Not quite. The law against production is what makes the law against buying and selling more relevant. What makes the law against production and sales relevant is different reasoning (I am neither defending nor attacking that reasoning as that would be a long discussion either way). I wouldn't consider it tautological nor circular reasoning, but it is stacked, and if you were to legalize production, that reason for the ban on selling and buying would no longer apply. The stacked reasons, now without their base, would no longer be supported. Are there other reasons, especially for certain drugs that are more dangerous? Maybe (once again, it would be a long discussion if they are justified or not).
frozenport 12y ago
>>IF it were treated as a public health problem Or if it were punished by death, like in Singapore.
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s73v3r 12y ago
" Instead, the intelligent, optimistic, apparently caring mind" Interesting way to describe someone who apparently tried to hire people to murder others in cold blood.
- dreamdu5t 12y ago
  Let's not pretend the people he attempted to murder weren't aggressing on him in the first place. He hired hits on people who were trying to extort him (for money claimed to be lost that couldn't be repaid to Hells Angels, implying that exposing Ross' information would make him a possible target). It's not like Ross hired hits on innocent people - regardless of whether that is murder or not.
- lectrick 12y ago
  You're a fool if you honestly believe that you can't be put into a situation that would cause you to at least consider offing someone. Especially someone who was trying to extort/blackmail you. The most drastic realization we'll have in the future (relative to now) is that situations determine behavior far more than any notion of free will, so avoidong creation of the situations that cause people to consider crime will become the priority. Here is but one of MANY examples of outstanding-seeming people who were undone by their situations: http://m.chron.com/news/nation-world/article/Nowak-recalled-as-being-driven-generous-1536464.php http://m.chron.com/news/nation-world/article/Nowak-recalled-...
tedks 12y ago
> Instead, the intelligent, optimistic, apparently caring mind who wrote this, is rotting in jail: http://rossman.deviantart.com/journal/something-new-24987116.. http://rossman.deviantart.com/journal/something-new-24987116.... People get hung up on the hired hit thing. At that level it was him or them and no human ever makes that choice any way but one. The American government will never release Ross. They'll also never release Brianna Manning. But the American government probably won't outlive those two revolutionaries. At least, I have to believe it won't. The future can't be so Orwellian. I don't think humanity will let it happen.

Lawtonfogle 12y ago

>So basically, to rephrase, the existence of the law is what makes the law necessary. It's almost tautological. Not quite. The law against production is what makes the law against buying and selling more relevant. What makes the law against production and sales relevant is different reasoning (I am neither defending nor attacking that reasoning as that would be a long discussion either way). I wouldn't consider it tautological nor circular reasoning, but it is stacked, and if you were to legalize production, that reason for the ban on selling and buying would no longer apply. The stacked reasons, now without their base, would no longer be supported. Are there other reasons, especially for certain drugs that are more dangerous? Maybe (once again, it would be a long discussion if they are justified or not).

frozenport 12y ago

>>IF it were treated as a public health problem Or if it were punished by death, like in Singapore.

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s73v3r 12y ago

" Instead, the intelligent, optimistic, apparently caring mind" Interesting way to describe someone who apparently tried to hire people to murder others in cold blood.

dreamdu5t 12y ago
Let's not pretend the people he attempted to murder weren't aggressing on him in the first place. He hired hits on people who were trying to extort him (for money claimed to be lost that couldn't be repaid to Hells Angels, implying that exposing Ross' information would make him a possible target). It's not like Ross hired hits on innocent people - regardless of whether that is murder or not.
lectrick 12y ago
You're a fool if you honestly believe that you can't be put into a situation that would cause you to at least consider offing someone. Especially someone who was trying to extort/blackmail you. The most drastic realization we'll have in the future (relative to now) is that situations determine behavior far more than any notion of free will, so avoidong creation of the situations that cause people to consider crime will become the priority. Here is but one of MANY examples of outstanding-seeming people who were undone by their situations: http://m.chron.com/news/nation-world/article/Nowak-recalled-as-being-driven-generous-1536464.php http://m.chron.com/news/nation-world/article/Nowak-recalled-...

tedks 12y ago

> Instead, the intelligent, optimistic, apparently caring mind who wrote this, is rotting in jail: http://rossman.deviantart.com/journal/something-new-24987116.. http://rossman.deviantart.com/journal/something-new-24987116.... People get hung up on the hired hit thing. At that level it was him or them and no human ever makes that choice any way but one. The American government will never release Ross. They'll also never release Brianna Manning. But the American government probably won't outlive those two revolutionaries. At least, I have to believe it won't. The future can't be so Orwellian. I don't think humanity will let it happen.