I strongly disagree, OpenOffice and firefox are just trying to drag their weight, and they still try to integrate shiny stuff even when they're still far from t

I strongly disagree, OpenOffice and firefox are just trying to drag their weight, and they still try to integrate shiny stuff even when they're still far from the par. Moreover, a bunch of dev saying "no" to a marketing team and choosing technical stuff first is not the same as a product manager saying "no" to everybody, being developer or marketer or customer or presales. I used to be in this position of saying "no" (even to my boss), and you have no friends there.