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And this is how you create more terrorists. When you see an innocent family member being killed and you have nothing around you - no food, no education - hate o

And this is how you create more terrorists. When you see an innocent family member being killed and you have nothing around you - no food, no education - hate overpowers you and you hate the people who did this to people you loved.

huhtenberg 12y ago
Not terrorists, but enemies.
chroma 12y ago
While it sounds compelling, such thought processes rarely drive Al Qaeda members or ISIS fighters. If you actually ask them, they say they are driven by their religion.[1] Obviously, airstrikes make it easier for them to hate us, but even if we did nothing but build schools and hospitals, they would try to kill us. This is evidenced by the fact that they behead aid workers and journalists from countries like France and Japan. There is a huge moral difference between America and ISIS. If the US had perfectly accurate weaponry and information, they would spare every innocent life. If ISIS had the same technology, they would slaughter innocents by the millions. Note: My comment should not be construed as endorsing the Iraq war. Armies are very blunt instruments, but knowledge of that fact is supposed to discourage going to war. 1. http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/ http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isi...
- lazyjones 12y ago
  Wow, I didn't expect to find such shameless propaganda on HN. Every single sentence is factually wrong and insulting to readers' intelligence here. If it's not obvious to someone: just read some actual interviews with radical muslims, purported reasoning by Bin Laden etc. - their reasons are always political, the US is targeted specifically because of all the death and destruction it has brought to the Middle East. Japanese "aid workers and journalists" (actually: a military contractor and a journalist) were targeted because Japan donated $100 mil. to the fight against IS (as said in the videos: http://www.newsnation.in/article/67223-is-threatens-kill-japanese-hostages-video.html http://www.newsnation.in/article/67223-is-threatens-kill-jap...), the ransom asked was $100 mil. for each hostage. Don't believe the crappy propaganda: look for facts and then ask yourselves why the US supporters need these lies.
  - happyscrappy 12y ago
    > Every single sentence is factually wrong You don't believe ISIS would kill as many innocents as possible? It is practically their mission statement.
    - lazyjones 12y ago
      > You don't believe ISIS would kill as many innocents as possible? It is practically their mission statement. It's pointless to argue about statements containing words with highly subjective and arbitrary meanings like "innocents". Were the employees of the TV station the US bombed (with good precision and information!) in Serbia "innocent"? Of what crime were they guilty if not? The US apparently thought they weren't innocent. Who are we to claim the people brutally murdered by the IS are - to the IS - "innocent"? The IS kills Japanese citizens because their government is "guilty". The US kills women and children because their high-tech drones aren't good enough and their information seems to be bad. Or so they've been saying for years, while still consciously deciding to use these weapons to said effect. While both are morally wrong, the latter is also disingenuous and not worthy of a civilized nation. It's the consequence of trying both to enforce the "right of the strongest" and to attempt to claim a moral high ground.
      - happyscrappy 12y ago
        > Who are we to claim the people brutally murdered by the IS are - to the IS - "innocent"? If you believe the West and IS are morally equivalent then you may want to revisit your worldview.
        tomp 12y ago
        There is little moral difference in my mind between ISIS armies and Western armies attacking and killing people.
        tomjen3 12y ago
        The your worldview is so devoid from reality as to be useless.
sschueller 12y ago
Armed drones is terrorism. Imagine for a moment that drones were flying over the US and at anytime may strike. You don't know where or when but you are in constant fear of an attack. Next time you go to an outdoor wedding take a moment and think about how that would feel. Do you absolutely know that everyone attending is not a 'person if interest' or even just related to one?
- tomjen3 12y ago
  With that kind of argument all kind of warfare is terrorism, which means the word terrorism is redundant and useless. Fact is we are at war with some bad people and when we do so innocent people are getting hurt - however we try really hard to minimize their numbers and one of the ways we do that is using drones. And if you feel bad about it think this way: we try to avoid killing civilians, they use human shields.
  - outworlder 12y ago
    > however we try really hard to minimize their numbers and one of the ways we do that is using drones. Nope. That's how you minimize US casualties. Which I suppose is an improvement compared to dumb bombs dropped by fighter jets, which could be shot down and the pilots captured.
  - glitchdout 12y ago
    > innocent people are getting hurt - however we try really hard to minimize their numbers From the article: > Sensor: Maybe just a warm spot from where he’s been sitting. > Pilot: I was hoping we could make a rifle out. Never mind.

huhtenberg 12y ago

Not terrorists, but enemies.

chroma 12y ago

While it sounds compelling, such thought processes rarely drive Al Qaeda members or ISIS fighters. If you actually ask them, they say they are driven by their religion.[1] Obviously, airstrikes make it easier for them to hate us, but even if we did nothing but build schools and hospitals, they would try to kill us. This is evidenced by the fact that they behead aid workers and journalists from countries like France and Japan. There is a huge moral difference between America and ISIS. If the US had perfectly accurate weaponry and information, they would spare every innocent life. If ISIS had the same technology, they would slaughter innocents by the millions. Note: My comment should not be construed as endorsing the Iraq war. Armies are very blunt instruments, but knowledge of that fact is supposed to discourage going to war. 1. http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/ http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isi...

lazyjones 12y ago
Wow, I didn't expect to find such shameless propaganda on HN. Every single sentence is factually wrong and insulting to readers' intelligence here. If it's not obvious to someone: just read some actual interviews with radical muslims, purported reasoning by Bin Laden etc. - their reasons are always political, the US is targeted specifically because of all the death and destruction it has brought to the Middle East. Japanese "aid workers and journalists" (actually: a military contractor and a journalist) were targeted because Japan donated $100 mil. to the fight against IS (as said in the videos: http://www.newsnation.in/article/67223-is-threatens-kill-japanese-hostages-video.html http://www.newsnation.in/article/67223-is-threatens-kill-jap...), the ransom asked was $100 mil. for each hostage. Don't believe the crappy propaganda: look for facts and then ask yourselves why the US supporters need these lies.
- happyscrappy 12y ago
  > Every single sentence is factually wrong You don't believe ISIS would kill as many innocents as possible? It is practically their mission statement.
  - lazyjones 12y ago
    > You don't believe ISIS would kill as many innocents as possible? It is practically their mission statement. It's pointless to argue about statements containing words with highly subjective and arbitrary meanings like "innocents". Were the employees of the TV station the US bombed (with good precision and information!) in Serbia "innocent"? Of what crime were they guilty if not? The US apparently thought they weren't innocent. Who are we to claim the people brutally murdered by the IS are - to the IS - "innocent"? The IS kills Japanese citizens because their government is "guilty". The US kills women and children because their high-tech drones aren't good enough and their information seems to be bad. Or so they've been saying for years, while still consciously deciding to use these weapons to said effect. While both are morally wrong, the latter is also disingenuous and not worthy of a civilized nation. It's the consequence of trying both to enforce the "right of the strongest" and to attempt to claim a moral high ground.
    - happyscrappy 12y ago
      > Who are we to claim the people brutally murdered by the IS are - to the IS - "innocent"? If you believe the West and IS are morally equivalent then you may want to revisit your worldview.
      - tomp 12y ago
        There is little moral difference in my mind between ISIS armies and Western armies attacking and killing people.
        tomjen3 12y ago
        The your worldview is so devoid from reality as to be useless.

sschueller 12y ago

Armed drones is terrorism. Imagine for a moment that drones were flying over the US and at anytime may strike. You don't know where or when but you are in constant fear of an attack. Next time you go to an outdoor wedding take a moment and think about how that would feel. Do you absolutely know that everyone attending is not a 'person if interest' or even just related to one?

tomjen3 12y ago
With that kind of argument all kind of warfare is terrorism, which means the word terrorism is redundant and useless. Fact is we are at war with some bad people and when we do so innocent people are getting hurt - however we try really hard to minimize their numbers and one of the ways we do that is using drones. And if you feel bad about it think this way: we try to avoid killing civilians, they use human shields.
- outworlder 12y ago
  > however we try really hard to minimize their numbers and one of the ways we do that is using drones. Nope. That's how you minimize US casualties. Which I suppose is an improvement compared to dumb bombs dropped by fighter jets, which could be shot down and the pilots captured.
- glitchdout 12y ago
  > innocent people are getting hurt - however we try really hard to minimize their numbers From the article: > Sensor: Maybe just a warm spot from where he’s been sitting. > Pilot: I was hoping we could make a rifle out. Never mind.