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i really don't understand the love of guns in the US. the rest of the civilised world has gun control, and with it experience of enforcing it in an environment

by jheriko 12y ago

i really don't understand the love of guns in the US. the rest of the civilised world has gun control, and with it experience of enforcing it in an environment where guns were formally unrestricted. there is also a whole bunch of data showing that death of children by guns, and spree shootings are almost uniquely a phenomenon of countries without any real effort at gun control. i don't see any good argument against 'less people dying horribly' gun control doesn't mean banning guns outright. it means introducing a serious effort to keep them out of the hands of the worst of society.

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- anu_gupta 12y ago
  You do realise that first list shows 24 school shootings in Europe, since 1913, don't you? 24 in over one hundred years. Here's the list for the US: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the...
maratd 12y ago
> i really don't understand the love of guns in the US. I assume you're in Europe? Europe historically doesn't mind tyranny, dictators, oppressive governments and the like. I understand the current period is a bit of an aberration. You can thank the US and the USSR later. But based on your comments, if things swung back to their historical norm ... you would what? File a legal complaint? The US government has done some horrible things in the past. It will do so again in the future. That is the nature of governments. If enough becomes enough, it is the peoples' right to choose to defend themselves against tyranny. That's at the very foundation of our country. It's how it was born. It's how we were able to fight off European tyranny and gain independence.
- jheriko 12y ago
  its not just europe... its a pretty global phenomenon. you might have some nice philosophical argument here, but i have data and experiments on my side. i do appreciate your point about self defence in a harsh environment, but that is not day-to-day life in a world with gun control, or even in most places without it. i however resent the implication that i can not defend myself and am merely going to write an angry letter in complaint. i can assure you that i am just as capable as the next man of dealing death, even without guns, but its a skill i'd rather not exercise...

by jheriko 12y ago

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anu_gupta 12y ago
You do realise that first list shows 24 school shootings in Europe, since 1913, don't you? 24 in over one hundred years. Here's the list for the US: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the...

maratd 12y ago

> i really don't understand the love of guns in the US. I assume you're in Europe? Europe historically doesn't mind tyranny, dictators, oppressive governments and the like. I understand the current period is a bit of an aberration. You can thank the US and the USSR later. But based on your comments, if things swung back to their historical norm ... you would what? File a legal complaint? The US government has done some horrible things in the past. It will do so again in the future. That is the nature of governments. If enough becomes enough, it is the peoples' right to choose to defend themselves against tyranny. That's at the very foundation of our country. It's how it was born. It's how we were able to fight off European tyranny and gain independence.

jheriko 12y ago
its not just europe... its a pretty global phenomenon. you might have some nice philosophical argument here, but i have data and experiments on my side. i do appreciate your point about self defence in a harsh environment, but that is not day-to-day life in a world with gun control, or even in most places without it. i however resent the implication that i can not defend myself and am merely going to write an angry letter in complaint. i can assure you that i am just as capable as the next man of dealing death, even without guns, but its a skill i'd rather not exercise...