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>You've said, ship 'em out! Retrain them! If they don't want to do those things, do nothing. It seems you have misunderstood my point. I'm not saying to load

>You've said, ship 'em out! Retrain them! If they don't want to do those things, do nothing. It seems you have misunderstood my point. I'm not saying to load them up and ship them out. I'm saying that if they want help, the best utilization of limited resources will be in helping them move somewhere more affordable. But they don't have to accept help; it isn't being forced on them. I'm saying offer options, not enforce demands.

Frondo 12y ago
And I keep saying, rather than propose a menu of options to the community without getting their input, get their input. Our conversation is now going something like this: You: If they want to move, move them, otherwise do nothing Me: Ask them what they want You: I'm not saying they have to move, just that that's what we can do Me: Ask them what they want You: You misunderstand, they don't have to move, but that's their option if they want help Me: Ask them what they want Are we going to keep going back and forth like this all day?
- Domenic_S 12y ago
  It's equivocation really, because what they want, at the most general level, is not to be homeless. But they're the worst people to ask input from, because if they knew how not to be homeless, they wouldn't be homeless. So sure, have a conversation and find out where they want to be in their life, but it's madness to think they'll give you insight into how to fix what got them there.
  - dllthomas 12y ago
    They might very well have insight into how to deploy resources they did not have access to to fix their problems.
- Lawtonfogle 12y ago
  >Assuming government resources are needed to be spent to help resolve this Many of the other fixes talk about changing laws, and my suggestion was basically in the scenario that those don't work. (I do grant that a law change would cost the government some money to implement, new permits, ect.; I just consider such costs when broken down per person help to be effectively zero and to, in large part, already be paid for by all the already hired staff.) So I guess the question to you is... what about all the poor people in every other state. Have you asked them what they want to be done, so we can fairly allocate money? We could give those in need in SV ($TheirPoor * $BudgeToHelpThePoor)/$TotalPoor and let them spend it on what they want and if they run out, tell them tough luck. On a side note, what happens to the average individual who wins big in the lottery?

Frondo 12y ago

And I keep saying, rather than propose a menu of options to the community without getting their input, get their input. Our conversation is now going something like this: You: If they want to move, move them, otherwise do nothing Me: Ask them what they want You: I'm not saying they have to move, just that that's what we can do Me: Ask them what they want You: You misunderstand, they don't have to move, but that's their option if they want help Me: Ask them what they want Are we going to keep going back and forth like this all day?

Domenic_S 12y ago
It's equivocation really, because what they want, at the most general level, is not to be homeless. But they're the worst people to ask input from, because if they knew how not to be homeless, they wouldn't be homeless. So sure, have a conversation and find out where they want to be in their life, but it's madness to think they'll give you insight into how to fix what got them there.
- dllthomas 12y ago
  They might very well have insight into how to deploy resources they did not have access to to fix their problems.
Lawtonfogle 12y ago
>Assuming government resources are needed to be spent to help resolve this Many of the other fixes talk about changing laws, and my suggestion was basically in the scenario that those don't work. (I do grant that a law change would cost the government some money to implement, new permits, ect.; I just consider such costs when broken down per person help to be effectively zero and to, in large part, already be paid for by all the already hired staff.) So I guess the question to you is... what about all the poor people in every other state. Have you asked them what they want to be done, so we can fairly allocate money? We could give those in need in SV ($TheirPoor * $BudgeToHelpThePoor)/$TotalPoor and let them spend it on what they want and if they run out, tell them tough luck. On a side note, what happens to the average individual who wins big in the lottery?