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Quite oposite. I dont understand why someone who traveled world and has medical condition would settle down in California. Just try Greece for couple of months

by jkot 12y ago

Quite oposite. I dont understand why someone who traveled world and has medical condition would settle down in California. Just try Greece for couple of months. Doctors are great here, speak english and are much cheaper.

Mz 12y ago
You don't have to understand my preferences. All you need to do is try to respect my right to decide for myself what is best for me. Thinking you have a superior answer for my life after reading a couple of comments by me on the Internet and saying I should move to another country because you don't understand my choices is beyond insulting.
- jkot 12y ago
  Just trying to help. Sorry if it sounds wrong way.
  - Mz 12y ago
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StopHelpingMe http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StopHelpingMe But thank you for the apology. It's a step in the right direction.
    - Lawtonfogle 12y ago
      Would you rather not have any help? No one is forcing these individuals to take the assitance we are discussing here. If they want to continue to live 11 to a house or mom and 2 kids in a garage, we aren't discussing making it illegal.
      - Mz 12y ago
        I really have no idea why you seem intent on picking an argument with me. I currently don't get assistance and I am homeless, not living in overcrowded living conditions. Stating my objections to people saying "well, just move" is not remotely the same thing as advocating for any particular solution. I imagine the solutions I would propose would be things most people here would say wasn't what is under discussion. I generally frame problems differently from most other people.
- Kalium 12y ago
  > You don't have to understand my preferences. All you need to do is try to respect my right to decide for myself what is best for me. We might respect it, but you haven't made a convincing case that we need to craft policy around financially supporting it.
  - Mz 12y ago
    Okay, let's see if this helps any: My genetic disorder costs on average $100,000 annually to keep me alive in a torturous fashion. My oldest son has the same condition. That's $200,000 annually that we "should" be spending on medical care. I am a former military wife. I am entitled to get that care through the military medical system -- which means at tax payer expense. Though, in reality, most people with my condition get a lot of that care covered by some kind of state aid and/or charitable program and the like (as well as often qualifying for disability in their 30s). Being sick all the damn time means you not only have high medical bills, you are also can't work. We have gotten ourselves well and my productivity is rising. I no longer receive food stamps and I am now well enough to do freelance work to help support us. Going someplace where the climate is good for my expensive medical condition is a financial win/win scenario, good not only for me but also for other people who would otherwise be getting stuck with the bill. If you read much about homelessness, helping solve the problems of the homeless is typically cheaper than trying to "take care" of them while controlling their lives and so on.
    - Kalium 12y ago
      You're partway there. You've made the case that some financial support is wise. You haven't made the case that it needs to be in a location of your choice, rather than the minimum needed to keep you as healthy as possible. If the climate in San Francisco helps a person stay healthy, there are likely dramatically cheaper places that would have the same beneficial effect. Assuming, of course, the goal being to produce the required effect for a minimum of cost.
      - Mz 12y ago
        I wasn't asking for financial support from anyone. I was only arguing against what has been stated in this discussion on HN: "just move." I have my reasons why I chose to come back to California. Not that it is actually any of your business, but I don't currently get any kind of government "assistance." I'm somewhat baffled as to what you are arguing with me about. FWIW: Before my life got derailed, I planned to be an urban planner and took college classes with an eye towards understanding how best to make policy that serves the human population in that regard, not targeted at "helping poor people" but also not skewing things in a fashion that causes them unnecessary hardship, which is basically what we currently do.

by jkot 12y ago

Mz 12y ago

You don't have to understand my preferences. All you need to do is try to respect my right to decide for myself what is best for me. Thinking you have a superior answer for my life after reading a couple of comments by me on the Internet and saying I should move to another country because you don't understand my choices is beyond insulting.

jkot 12y ago
Just trying to help. Sorry if it sounds wrong way.
- Mz 12y ago
  The road to hell is paved with good intentions. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StopHelpingMe http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StopHelpingMe But thank you for the apology. It's a step in the right direction.
  - Lawtonfogle 12y ago
    Would you rather not have any help? No one is forcing these individuals to take the assitance we are discussing here. If they want to continue to live 11 to a house or mom and 2 kids in a garage, we aren't discussing making it illegal.
    - Mz 12y ago
      I really have no idea why you seem intent on picking an argument with me. I currently don't get assistance and I am homeless, not living in overcrowded living conditions. Stating my objections to people saying "well, just move" is not remotely the same thing as advocating for any particular solution. I imagine the solutions I would propose would be things most people here would say wasn't what is under discussion. I generally frame problems differently from most other people.
Kalium 12y ago
> You don't have to understand my preferences. All you need to do is try to respect my right to decide for myself what is best for me. We might respect it, but you haven't made a convincing case that we need to craft policy around financially supporting it.
- Mz 12y ago
  Okay, let's see if this helps any: My genetic disorder costs on average $100,000 annually to keep me alive in a torturous fashion. My oldest son has the same condition. That's $200,000 annually that we "should" be spending on medical care. I am a former military wife. I am entitled to get that care through the military medical system -- which means at tax payer expense. Though, in reality, most people with my condition get a lot of that care covered by some kind of state aid and/or charitable program and the like (as well as often qualifying for disability in their 30s). Being sick all the damn time means you not only have high medical bills, you are also can't work. We have gotten ourselves well and my productivity is rising. I no longer receive food stamps and I am now well enough to do freelance work to help support us. Going someplace where the climate is good for my expensive medical condition is a financial win/win scenario, good not only for me but also for other people who would otherwise be getting stuck with the bill. If you read much about homelessness, helping solve the problems of the homeless is typically cheaper than trying to "take care" of them while controlling their lives and so on.
  - Kalium 12y ago
    You're partway there. You've made the case that some financial support is wise. You haven't made the case that it needs to be in a location of your choice, rather than the minimum needed to keep you as healthy as possible. If the climate in San Francisco helps a person stay healthy, there are likely dramatically cheaper places that would have the same beneficial effect. Assuming, of course, the goal being to produce the required effect for a minimum of cost.
    - Mz 12y ago
      I wasn't asking for financial support from anyone. I was only arguing against what has been stated in this discussion on HN: "just move." I have my reasons why I chose to come back to California. Not that it is actually any of your business, but I don't currently get any kind of government "assistance." I'm somewhat baffled as to what you are arguing with me about. FWIW: Before my life got derailed, I planned to be an urban planner and took college classes with an eye towards understanding how best to make policy that serves the human population in that regard, not targeted at "helping poor people" but also not skewing things in a fashion that causes them unnecessary hardship, which is basically what we currently do.