The amount of negative comments in this thread is as suspected when one brings up enterprise software to the world of HN where the community prefers "clean canv

The amount of negative comments in this thread is as suspected when one brings up enterprise software to the world of HN where the community prefers "clean canvas" to draw the ideal world and call it elegant piece of art. I would suggest people to view Salesforce from the perspective of the business users (or check this comment as well: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9184356 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9184356) The place I work for at the moment uses Salesforce and we're paying lots of money to them (company with 100 people employees, balanced between engineering, support, sales/bdr, marketing, hr). I've never heard our Sales/SE/Support complained about Salesforce. In fact, they continue to find better tools/vendors inside Appexchange that can help them to be more productive closing Sales. Our software integrate with Salesforce to some extend w.r.t to tracking customer acquisition, license, and retention. I can't complain. Salesforce is better than any other Enterprise software I've dealt with before. I had a chance to talk to the CTO of Salesforce1 yesterday while he was demo-ing the Salesforce1 platform on his iPhone. He showed me how Sys-Admins (sys-admins of Salesforce themselves) can write a small "module" that can be deployed and visible inside the Salesforce1 mobile app immediately. That's probably one of the few "enterprise" mobile apps I've seen so far where you can allow your customer to develop a small-modular-app to be deployed within the _same_ Salesforce1 mobile app but only visible to your Organization (or to certain group/role within your Organization). Our customers purchased our solution (we are an APM company) to monitor their Salesforce instances because they need a 3rd-party to ensure Salesforce does not break their SLA. (We're talking about Fortune 500 company that signed $10m contract with Salesforce; Salesforce will be held accountable if they break SLA). I asked him how Salesforce test Salesforce itself (the whole thing, that big ball of mud if you want to call it that way). He went off and explain how they rigorously test the whole system in details. That includes testing the mobile app... and testing the "custom app" within Salesforce ecosystems. So I got curious and asked him further: how do you test those custom apps written by the customers? His replied was as follows: 1. When the customer sign up, they agree to let Salesforce run test-automation of their custom app 2. Salesforce tries their best to educate "Salesforce Developer" to write automation test that will be executed as part of Salesforce update/deploy cycle 3. If the customer/vendor does not do that (or write tests that don't test properly), it's their fault. That's insane! I've never seen an enterprise software company go that far! During the event, I get the impression that Salesforce cares a lot of automation, automation testing, and to ensure "things don't break". Can't say the same thing with Facebook even though they're developing lots of "cool" cutting edge tech. But then again, Salesforce customers force Salesforce to not break things or else refund... TLDR: Salesforce as an enterprise company is pretty good compare the rest. HN community is definitely not the target market so it's natural to see negative comments.