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Yes, power corrupts, and the US government is exceptionally powerful and exceptionally corrupt. The NSA is included in this, of course. We already know the NSA

Yes, power corrupts, and the US government is exceptionally powerful and exceptionally corrupt. The NSA is included in this, of course. We already know the NSA's power has been extensively abused with "SEXINT" (stealing people's private photos for personal enjoyment and likely blackmail), JTRIG (discrediting people not accused or suspected of any crime), PRISM (monitoring every communication via to/from data and other private data), not to mention others. None of these things relate to foreign espionage or generalized signals intelligence. Snowden said it himself: the NSA is only about SIGINT in their press releases. Really, their purpose is social control and consolidation of power. Their spying does not stop at members of the public or foreign publics; whistleblower Russ Tice said long before Snowden that the NSA had a tap on Barack Obama as early as 2004.

arca_vorago 12y ago
Nice to see someone else remember what Russ Tice said. He wasn't even a Senator yet when Russ said the papers came across his desk. That means that they are targeting any potential political candidate of any note. I would just like to remind everyone that surveillance is about control, not security. Some may claim it's security through control, but that's not the social contract I was taught to understand my country worked under.
happyscrappy 12y ago
> Yes, power corrupts, and the US government is exceptionally powerful and exceptionally corrupt. So if someone, say Europe, became more powerful than the US they would be extremely corrupt. Where does that tautology leave us?
glitchdout 12y ago
> whistleblower Russ Tice said [...] that the NSA had a tap on Barack Obama as early as 2004. Source: https://youtu.be/d6m1XbWOfVk?t=2m45s https://youtu.be/d6m1XbWOfVk?t=2m45s They went after General Patreus, Justice Alito and Senator Barack Obama [3:25].

arca_vorago 12y ago

Nice to see someone else remember what Russ Tice said. He wasn't even a Senator yet when Russ said the papers came across his desk. That means that they are targeting any potential political candidate of any note. I would just like to remind everyone that surveillance is about control, not security. Some may claim it's security through control, but that's not the social contract I was taught to understand my country worked under.

happyscrappy 12y ago

> Yes, power corrupts, and the US government is exceptionally powerful and exceptionally corrupt. So if someone, say Europe, became more powerful than the US they would be extremely corrupt. Where does that tautology leave us?

glitchdout 12y ago

> whistleblower Russ Tice said [...] that the NSA had a tap on Barack Obama as early as 2004. Source: https://youtu.be/d6m1XbWOfVk?t=2m45s https://youtu.be/d6m1XbWOfVk?t=2m45s They went after General Patreus, Justice Alito and Senator Barack Obama [3:25].