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> We don't have the same problem in europe with net neutrality. Europe actually does, and net neutrality violations are actually commonplace within Europe. In

by lgbr 12y ago

> We don't have the same problem in europe with net neutrality. Europe actually does, and net neutrality violations are actually commonplace within Europe. In fact, the EU documents a list of currently on-going violations of net neutrality: http://ec.europa.eu/digital-agenda/en/net-neutrality-challenges http://ec.europa.eu/digital-agenda/en/net-neutrality-challen... Mobile carriers are the worst offenders in Europe. Prepaid data plans in particular will actively block VoIP connections so as to prevent you from making Skype or other VoIP calls over their networks because they want you to pay for their own minutes. P2P Throttling is also very commonplace. This is something that Comcast was lambasted for in the past, and as far as I know hasn't happened on a large scale in the US for some time, but it's very common in Europe. While Europe does have a lot more providers to choose from, you'll often find that there are still monopolies just like in the US. Most of the DSL lines in the UK are owned by BT, and most of the DSL lines in Germany are owned by Telekom, for example. Add to this that cable isn't nearly as widespread in Europe, and you have a situation that's even worse than the usual Cable vs. DSL choice that you have in the US. In Europe your choice is likely limited to only DSL, and only one company provides the copper running to your residence.

KaiserPro 12y ago
Everyone uses traffic management. Its a fact of life. Unless you are paying for a dedicated line, or are peering, then you are going to be managed. Anyone that has a cheap line and says they are not managing it either has shit service, or the ISP is telling porkies. P2P will always need to be throttled, and has been since pretty much the start of ADSL. If you want to be uploading gigs of data, at high speed then pay for the correct line. don't use consumer lines. As I pointed out, if you want uncontended connections, peer at an exchange. They are cheap. Yes BT has a monopoly, but unlike the US they are highly regulated. They can only charge a certain amount for each line(I think ~£4 a month). They cannot stop arbitrary data for business reasons, all resellers have the same SLA. The BT network is in much better shape than the US, with a thriving reseller market. This means that ADSL is often thrown in for free with TV. With mobile data, its only vodaphone that do that kind of thing, as they are very keen for you to burn through your data allowance and run up bills. Also VOIP over 3g is terrible (300ms round trip) by the way :)

by lgbr 12y ago

KaiserPro 12y ago

Everyone uses traffic management. Its a fact of life. Unless you are paying for a dedicated line, or are peering, then you are going to be managed. Anyone that has a cheap line and says they are not managing it either has shit service, or the ISP is telling porkies. P2P will always need to be throttled, and has been since pretty much the start of ADSL. If you want to be uploading gigs of data, at high speed then pay for the correct line. don't use consumer lines. As I pointed out, if you want uncontended connections, peer at an exchange. They are cheap. Yes BT has a monopoly, but unlike the US they are highly regulated. They can only charge a certain amount for each line(I think ~£4 a month). They cannot stop arbitrary data for business reasons, all resellers have the same SLA. The BT network is in much better shape than the US, with a thriving reseller market. This means that ADSL is often thrown in for free with TV. With mobile data, its only vodaphone that do that kind of thing, as they are very keen for you to burn through your data allowance and run up bills. Also VOIP over 3g is terrible (300ms round trip) by the way :)