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I dont think the government has ever been in the business of providing uncorrupted resources.

by vonklaus 12y ago

felixgallo 12y ago
next time you drink water or drive on a road, remember this comment.
- automatthew 12y ago
  Wells and driveways.
  - mintplant 12y ago
    "Uncorrupted", not "exclusive".
- shit_parade 12y ago
  Water usage in the US is incredibly irresponsible, not really priced by usage(farmers get enormous subsidies), and largely done by favoritism and grandfathered laws. The UN has aggressively called out US biofuel production as irresponsible and even disastrous. Fracking continues to poison the water tables and ogallala aquifer is sucked dry. Why don't you actually try reading, or educating yourself instead of knee-jerk defending the government with whatever at hand response you've learned as a child and repeated verbatim. Fucking idiot.
- baddox 12y ago
  How many people die on government roads every year, and what do you think the reaction would be if a private road system was similarly managed?
  - yongjik 12y ago
    "Geez, I already paid for route 284 and Interstate 99. Do I have to pay a separate weekend surcharge for the 1000-feet onramp? I mean, come on!" OK, not exactly a reaction on people's deaths, but people react to deaths in a more or less similar way whether it's on a government-managed railway or privately operated 747...
    - baddox 12y ago
      The payment system is a completely separate discussion, and not one at all relevant to my point. I disagree with your claim that the reactions are similar. It's my impression that the reactions to the dangers of public road systems is not remotely close to the reactions toward the dangers of private transportation systems, especially when normalized for the scale of the dangers.
Frondo 12y ago
Then get involved. It's easy to sit back and act like government's all corrupt, hur hur, but guess what--you can talk to your elected officials and try and shape government more to how you think it should work. If your elected officials don't give you access to them, work to put in office, some who do.
- shit_parade 12y ago
  Wow. Do you even know how much time an elected official spends fund raising? Many members of congress fund raise every day, every day they are walking out of capitol hill and across the street to be glorified phone bank monkeys begging some rich guy for money. Do you know what gerrymandering is? Have you looked, actually looked at gerrymandered districts? They're like something Escher would draw, they certainly don't reflect communities, geographical constraints, or anything besides the best statistical slicing to ensure the status quo prevails. I'm all for Ghandi's "be the change you wish to see", but being critical to someone who points out the ills in the world is shooting the messenger. You recall what platform Obama ran on? Hope and Change, how did that work out? The political process in America is broken and voting will not solve the problem of corruption.
  - Frondo 12y ago
    Hey, that's great. You stay home. I'm going to keep going out and being involved. We'll see who gets more done.
    - innguest 12y ago
      You're only getting "involved" by voting according to the government's definition of "getting involved". Your parent post just put forward an argument which you did not address: "You recall what platform Obama ran on? Hope and Change, how did that work out? The political process in America is broken and voting will not solve the problem of corruption." Please address this argument. No need for "we'll see who gets more done" future arguments, this is a present-day argument. What should we do when, after people go out and "get involved" and "get more done" to elect the right representative, they don't follow through on their promises? What should we do?

I dont think the government has ever been in the business of providing uncorrupted resources.

felixgallo 12y ago

next time you drink water or drive on a road, remember this comment.

automatthew 12y ago
Wells and driveways.
- mintplant 12y ago
  "Uncorrupted", not "exclusive".
shit_parade 12y ago
Water usage in the US is incredibly irresponsible, not really priced by usage(farmers get enormous subsidies), and largely done by favoritism and grandfathered laws. The UN has aggressively called out US biofuel production as irresponsible and even disastrous. Fracking continues to poison the water tables and ogallala aquifer is sucked dry. Why don't you actually try reading, or educating yourself instead of knee-jerk defending the government with whatever at hand response you've learned as a child and repeated verbatim. Fucking idiot.
baddox 12y ago
How many people die on government roads every year, and what do you think the reaction would be if a private road system was similarly managed?
- yongjik 12y ago
  "Geez, I already paid for route 284 and Interstate 99. Do I have to pay a separate weekend surcharge for the 1000-feet onramp? I mean, come on!" OK, not exactly a reaction on people's deaths, but people react to deaths in a more or less similar way whether it's on a government-managed railway or privately operated 747...
  - baddox 12y ago
    The payment system is a completely separate discussion, and not one at all relevant to my point. I disagree with your claim that the reactions are similar. It's my impression that the reactions to the dangers of public road systems is not remotely close to the reactions toward the dangers of private transportation systems, especially when normalized for the scale of the dangers.

Frondo 12y ago

Then get involved. It's easy to sit back and act like government's all corrupt, hur hur, but guess what--you can talk to your elected officials and try and shape government more to how you think it should work. If your elected officials don't give you access to them, work to put in office, some who do.

shit_parade 12y ago
Wow. Do you even know how much time an elected official spends fund raising? Many members of congress fund raise every day, every day they are walking out of capitol hill and across the street to be glorified phone bank monkeys begging some rich guy for money. Do you know what gerrymandering is? Have you looked, actually looked at gerrymandered districts? They're like something Escher would draw, they certainly don't reflect communities, geographical constraints, or anything besides the best statistical slicing to ensure the status quo prevails. I'm all for Ghandi's "be the change you wish to see", but being critical to someone who points out the ills in the world is shooting the messenger. You recall what platform Obama ran on? Hope and Change, how did that work out? The political process in America is broken and voting will not solve the problem of corruption.
- Frondo 12y ago
  Hey, that's great. You stay home. I'm going to keep going out and being involved. We'll see who gets more done.
  - innguest 12y ago
    You're only getting "involved" by voting according to the government's definition of "getting involved". Your parent post just put forward an argument which you did not address: "You recall what platform Obama ran on? Hope and Change, how did that work out? The political process in America is broken and voting will not solve the problem of corruption." Please address this argument. No need for "we'll see who gets more done" future arguments, this is a present-day argument. What should we do when, after people go out and "get involved" and "get more done" to elect the right representative, they don't follow through on their promises? What should we do?