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I hope Peter encourages start-ups in longevity and nootropics. Or just nootropics. If there's more smart people then additional anti-ageing tech will follow—si

by forloop 12y ago

I hope Peter encourages start-ups in longevity and nootropics. Or just nootropics. If there's more smart people then additional anti-ageing tech will follow—since all arguments against said tech are fallacious; even if they seem reasonable prima facie!

pekk 12y ago
That depends on what actual results you can deliver. If it's not very much, that's not a fallacy, it's a demonstration.
- forloop 12y ago
  > That depends on what actual results you can deliver. Nothing to do with me. I plan on purchasing the results. > If it's not very much, that's not a fallacy, it's a demonstration. Rats' lifespans have been doubled[0]. And there are medications which are used for other conditions being looked at: like rapamycin (or the development of a variant), and metformin. There are also supplements like the newly released nicotinamide riboside. Plus, people such as Google (via Calico) are developing treatments targeting the longevity gene FOXO3. The area is vast. And you've just demonstrated my point. What you've said sounds reasonable, but is actually bullshit. [0] http://www.kurzweilai.net/fullerene-c60-administration-doubles-rat-lifespan-with-no-toxicity http://www.kurzweilai.net/fullerene-c60-administration-doubl... Edit: Grammar.
  - pekk 12y ago
    It is never bullshit to say that something not actually proven is not proven until it is proven.
    - forloop 12y ago
      Thought you may say that. How is something in medicine proven? It's not with deduction, it's with induction! So nothing in medicine is proven with 100% certainty. What's left is probability! Even as an anonymous nobody, I'm able to point to hints of life extension in humans today, or 100% increase in lifespan of mammals! Or the work being done on various vectors; ranging from the slowing of ageing, via metabolism, to the reversal of ageing! Then there's something like SENS which has enumerated seven types of ageing. If those seven types of ageing are reversed, then ageing will be reversed. I believe those seven categories are yet to be disproved. So your statement hints at the science of philosophy, and what constitutes proof. As I've said above, I say probability!
      - forloop 12y ago
        > So your statement hints at the science of philosophy, and what constitutes proof That should say 'philosophy of science'... Proofread, ftw!
puranjay 12y ago
Nootropics user here. I would love for this field to go from amateur hobbyists to something more organized. The difficult part remains quantifying results
- forloop 12y ago
  Testing substances on healthy humans is a big deal. At the moment nootropics are used only in disease models. Also, the creation of nootropics which offer greater upgrades to cognition should be a priority. There have been a few promising chemical such as PRL-8-53[0], but when people have tried such chemicals on themselves they haven't lived up to their promise. [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRL-8-53 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRL-8-53

by forloop 12y ago

pekk 12y ago

That depends on what actual results you can deliver. If it's not very much, that's not a fallacy, it's a demonstration.

forloop 12y ago
> That depends on what actual results you can deliver. Nothing to do with me. I plan on purchasing the results. > If it's not very much, that's not a fallacy, it's a demonstration. Rats' lifespans have been doubled[0]. And there are medications which are used for other conditions being looked at: like rapamycin (or the development of a variant), and metformin. There are also supplements like the newly released nicotinamide riboside. Plus, people such as Google (via Calico) are developing treatments targeting the longevity gene FOXO3. The area is vast. And you've just demonstrated my point. What you've said sounds reasonable, but is actually bullshit. [0] http://www.kurzweilai.net/fullerene-c60-administration-doubles-rat-lifespan-with-no-toxicity http://www.kurzweilai.net/fullerene-c60-administration-doubl... Edit: Grammar.
- pekk 12y ago
  It is never bullshit to say that something not actually proven is not proven until it is proven.
  - forloop 12y ago
    Thought you may say that. How is something in medicine proven? It's not with deduction, it's with induction! So nothing in medicine is proven with 100% certainty. What's left is probability! Even as an anonymous nobody, I'm able to point to hints of life extension in humans today, or 100% increase in lifespan of mammals! Or the work being done on various vectors; ranging from the slowing of ageing, via metabolism, to the reversal of ageing! Then there's something like SENS which has enumerated seven types of ageing. If those seven types of ageing are reversed, then ageing will be reversed. I believe those seven categories are yet to be disproved. So your statement hints at the science of philosophy, and what constitutes proof. As I've said above, I say probability!
    - forloop 12y ago
      > So your statement hints at the science of philosophy, and what constitutes proof That should say 'philosophy of science'... Proofread, ftw!

puranjay 12y ago

Nootropics user here. I would love for this field to go from amateur hobbyists to something more organized. The difficult part remains quantifying results

forloop 12y ago
Testing substances on healthy humans is a big deal. At the moment nootropics are used only in disease models. Also, the creation of nootropics which offer greater upgrades to cognition should be a priority. There have been a few promising chemical such as PRL-8-53[0], but when people have tried such chemicals on themselves they haven't lived up to their promise. [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRL-8-53 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRL-8-53