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> They do have the same value, and that value is "do I want to pay for this channel?" By that logic, all items in the world have the same value and that value

by IanCal 12y ago

> They do have the same value, and that value is "do I want to pay for this channel?" By that logic, all items in the world have the same value and that value is "do I want to pay for this item"? They each have a different value based on "what do I want to pay for this channel". It is not a binary option of "I WILL PAY NO MATTER THE COST" and "I WILL NEVER PAY NO MATTER HOW CHEAP". > The argument the above poster made was incorrect, internally. That's all I'm pointing out. And all I'm pointing out is that your argument is incorrect. > We've now spent the better part of 3 hours talking about this. Which is odd, since all I've been saying is that the choice: More expensive & more channels vs less expensive & fewer channels has no clear winner without agreeing on what each particular channel is "worth". This is a classic case of multi-objective optimisation. I'm quite interested in finding out why this is such a disagreeable concept to you. > Consider for a moment the possibility that this isn't a very important distinction, and that your continual insistence on the issue is perhaps detrimental to the greater conversation and HN in general. And yet your continual insistence is beneficial? I'm a little confused, it's worth your time to try and point out a problem in someone's thinking, but not worth anyone else's time to point out problems in yours?

diminoten 12y ago
The person I replied to was stating that 10-20 channels are "worth". The rest of your comment is just "I don't want to be wrong" nonsense.
- IanCal 12y ago
  > The person I replied to was stating that 10-20 channels are "worth". Worth what? > The rest of your comment is just "I don't want to be wrong" nonsense. Silly me. I have two offers for you: 1. I have a pack of 10 different coins. I will sell them for $5. 2. I have a pack of 5 coins, and am willing to sell them for $3. Which do you want to buy?
  - diminoten 12y ago
    You're so far off topic and against the spirit of HN at this point, the only reason I'm even replying is to hopefully make you realize that. This isn't Reddit, our comment chain isn't supposed to be this long.
    - IanCal 12y ago
      I'm unsure as to why pointing out problems in your argument is against the spirit of HN. Perhaps you want a hackernews where we all misquote each other and logical flaws are left unchallenged. I'd hoped we'd all try and at least have sound arguments, which is what prompted you to post your original sarcastic comment. I'd hoped that through discussion we could straighten it out, but that seems futile now as I've repeated myself enough times in different ways. Instead I'll just ask that you look at the honestly look at the claims you've made and see if you find any problems with them. And finally, in case it isn't clear, I think that both you and urda are wrong.
      - diminoten 12y ago
        10-20 channels worth buying at a price of $3.25-$6.50/channel is a better economical choice than 1-2 channels worth buying unbundled at a price of $17.50/channel. Everything else here is you making HN a worse place to be. That's it.
        IanCal 12y ago
        > 10-20 channels worth buying at a price of $3.25-$6.50/channel is a better economical choice than 1-2 channels worth buying unbundled at a price of $17.50/channel. It's simply not the case that spending more money to get more channels is always more economical just because the cost per channel goes down. Which is more economical depends on the value you associate with each channel. If one channel cost $20, or I could get that channel and 9 others for $40, which is better for me? It depends on whether or not those 9 channels are worth $20 to me. If they're not, then it's not a better deal. Just because I might be willing to pay some money for those 9, doesn't mean I'm willing to pay $20 for them. If those channels are worth more than $20 to me, then it may well be a good deal for me. Therefore, packages are good deals for some, unbundled channels are good deals for others.

by IanCal 12y ago

diminoten 12y ago

The person I replied to was stating that 10-20 channels are "worth". The rest of your comment is just "I don't want to be wrong" nonsense.

IanCal 12y ago
> The person I replied to was stating that 10-20 channels are "worth". Worth what? > The rest of your comment is just "I don't want to be wrong" nonsense. Silly me. I have two offers for you: 1. I have a pack of 10 different coins. I will sell them for $5. 2. I have a pack of 5 coins, and am willing to sell them for $3. Which do you want to buy?
- diminoten 12y ago
  You're so far off topic and against the spirit of HN at this point, the only reason I'm even replying is to hopefully make you realize that. This isn't Reddit, our comment chain isn't supposed to be this long.
  - IanCal 12y ago
    I'm unsure as to why pointing out problems in your argument is against the spirit of HN. Perhaps you want a hackernews where we all misquote each other and logical flaws are left unchallenged. I'd hoped we'd all try and at least have sound arguments, which is what prompted you to post your original sarcastic comment. I'd hoped that through discussion we could straighten it out, but that seems futile now as I've repeated myself enough times in different ways. Instead I'll just ask that you look at the honestly look at the claims you've made and see if you find any problems with them. And finally, in case it isn't clear, I think that both you and urda are wrong.
    - diminoten 12y ago
      10-20 channels worth buying at a price of $3.25-$6.50/channel is a better economical choice than 1-2 channels worth buying unbundled at a price of $17.50/channel. Everything else here is you making HN a worse place to be. That's it.
      - IanCal 12y ago
        > 10-20 channels worth buying at a price of $3.25-$6.50/channel is a better economical choice than 1-2 channels worth buying unbundled at a price of $17.50/channel. It's simply not the case that spending more money to get more channels is always more economical just because the cost per channel goes down. Which is more economical depends on the value you associate with each channel. If one channel cost $20, or I could get that channel and 9 others for $40, which is better for me? It depends on whether or not those 9 channels are worth $20 to me. If they're not, then it's not a better deal. Just because I might be willing to pay some money for those 9, doesn't mean I'm willing to pay $20 for them. If those channels are worth more than $20 to me, then it may well be a good deal for me. Therefore, packages are good deals for some, unbundled channels are good deals for others.