> How can we make it so security talent has a better career working somewhere else? It could be multi-pronged. A combination of increasing private sector jobs a

> How can we make it so security talent has a better career working somewhere else? It could be multi-pronged. A combination of increasing private sector jobs and pay, decreasing public sector funding, and a healthy dose of public shaming might drain spying organizations of some more talent. Other thoughts? You're never going to get open publishing / access to NSA research / infrastructure. So it's always going to be an interesting place to work. Of the options, I think public shaming is the most viable. It's ridiculous IETF / IEEE / {insert org here} doesn't throw people out (to my knowledge?).