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well if you love democracy so much you need to recognize that the majority is against you on this point.

by spot 12y ago

bhayden 12y ago
Well as you're seeing with gay marriage bans being overturned, just because the majority want to strip the minority of their rights, they shouldn't be allowed to.
- nickik 12y ago
  Then what you want is a republic or some system of anarchy, not a democracy.
  - xj9 12y ago
    The US is a republic.
    - nickik 12y ago
      I know that. It was a general point. In a pure democracy, 51% has complet power. Also while the US is a formal republic, it does often emulate a democracy. Based on common belives the constitution is reinterpreted, or simply ignored. This has been well documented by legal scholars such as Richard Epstein.
  - dTal 12y ago
    >some system of anarchy I don't think you quite understand the point of anarchy.
    - nickik 12y ago
      I dont think you have looked at history. Anarchy simply means no state, not no system of governance. You can still have laws and organisation. We have historical examples of milions of people living this way.
rmxt 12y ago
>well if you love democracy so much you need to recognize that the majority is against you on this point. Amazing how quick some people are to dismiss already acknowledged issues: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority Amongst the anti-surveillance faction, I think that a major gripe is that the feedback loops put in place to prevent a tyranny of the majority situation are being subverted, if not in the letter of the law, then in the spirit of the law. How can elected officials have an even discussion regarding state surveillance when imperfect information abounds, and they themselves are kept in the dark from what is actually happening? That is to say nothing about the general population having a more direct say on what their government does on their behalf.

well if you love democracy so much you need to recognize that the majority is against you on this point.

by spot 12y ago

well if you love democracy so much you need to recognize that the majority is against you on this point.

Well as you're seeing with gay marriage bans being overturned, just because the majority want to strip the minority of their rights, they shouldn't be allowed to.

nickik 12y ago
Then what you want is a republic or some system of anarchy, not a democracy.
- xj9 12y ago
  The US is a republic.
  - nickik 12y ago
    I know that. It was a general point. In a pure democracy, 51% has complet power. Also while the US is a formal republic, it does often emulate a democracy. Based on common belives the constitution is reinterpreted, or simply ignored. This has been well documented by legal scholars such as Richard Epstein.
- dTal 12y ago
  >some system of anarchy I don't think you quite understand the point of anarchy.
  - nickik 12y ago
    I dont think you have looked at history. Anarchy simply means no state, not no system of governance. You can still have laws and organisation. We have historical examples of milions of people living this way.

rmxt 12y ago

>well if you love democracy so much you need to recognize that the majority is against you on this point. Amazing how quick some people are to dismiss already acknowledged issues: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority Amongst the anti-surveillance faction, I think that a major gripe is that the feedback loops put in place to prevent a tyranny of the majority situation are being subverted, if not in the letter of the law, then in the spirit of the law. How can elected officials have an even discussion regarding state surveillance when imperfect information abounds, and they themselves are kept in the dark from what is actually happening? That is to say nothing about the general population having a more direct say on what their government does on their behalf.