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The intended audience doesn't consider the Dell anywhere near comparable. Personally I would love to have a Linux laptop with the same design and build quality

The intended audience doesn't consider the Dell anywhere near comparable. Personally I would love to have a Linux laptop with the same design and build quality as the MacBooks, and I'm pretty sure plenty of fashion conscious folks would like something more exclusive now that Macs are everywhere. The fact that the XPS 13 is the only machine that comes anywhere close is kinda sad.

TazeTSchnitzel 12y ago
You could run Linux on your MacBook? Though it won't work as seamlessly with the hardware as OS X can.
- Gonzih 12y ago
  Running linux on macbook here, most of the things are fine. Except probably thundebold weirdness.
  - dordoka 12y ago
    Try to upgrade to kernel v3.18.5+ or directly v3.19. My problems with thunderbolt are gone now after upgrading :)
- abc_lisper 12y ago
  Even Linus uses a Macbook. http://www.cultofmac.com/162823/linux-creator-linus-torvalds-i-love-my-macbook-air/ http://www.cultofmac.com/162823/linux-creator-linus-torvalds...
  - samolang 12y ago
    I think he switched to the Pixel: http://www.zdnet.com/article/chromebooks-biggest-fan-linus-torvalds/ http://www.zdnet.com/article/chromebooks-biggest-fan-linus-t...
- jkarneges 12y ago
  I run Ubuntu in VMware full screen on a MacBook Air. I don't use the host Mac OS for anything important. It's a freak of nature.
wahsd 12y ago
I sense some resentment. The thing about Apple (I have no bias) is that you don't have to worry about competition. Even if there is a machine that approaches the performance and specs of a Mac, the thing Apple fans don't have to worry about is which machine to get because even the worst Apple device is miles ahead of the non Apple alternatives. The thing about Apple is that you don't have to worry about it, you can focus on the task and purpose of the tool rather than the hardware or it's specs. Given Apple's nature of maximizing profits of their product line, there's still room for the next major update of MBP line to include the same kinds of edge-less screen, and people will collectively loose their minds over it. Are people going to be satisfied with just another incremental upgrade of specs and inclusion of the same technologies as the Mac? I think they will have to put some bling in their flagship devices.
- cheatsheet 12y ago
  > the thing Apple fans don't have to worry about is which machine to get because even the worst Apple device is miles ahead of the non Apple alternatives This is very subjective to define. It's true, if you like apple, and all you are going to choose is stuff from apple, then you don't have to worry about examining choices in depth because there aren't very many. But quality is a subjective thing. I personally find almost every computer that exists today horrifically boring, compared to when I was growing up. The jump from no computer to computer has been much more exciting than each iteration of slightly better computer. That's really what I call 'miles ahead'. Smartphones with unlimited data were slightly revolutionary for me, in a "I can listen to music and walk anywhere I want without getting lost" kind of thing, but honestly, I haven't felt anything close to the feelings I used to feel as a kid. Trying to figure out how the entire internet is structured and comparing that to a giant computer is slightly more exciting. Comparing data models to the human brain is slightly exciting. But miles ahead sounds like we're making leaps when we aren't. And you can go ahead and argue that every leap is made up of tiny steps, but when you fade in and out of technology enough, even then, some things really feel like leaps, and other things really feel like steps. And I think that's subjective, so I'm biased, but I find it very hard to have opinions without bias, if not impossible.
  - 12y ago

TazeTSchnitzel 12y ago

You could run Linux on your MacBook? Though it won't work as seamlessly with the hardware as OS X can.

Gonzih 12y ago
Running linux on macbook here, most of the things are fine. Except probably thundebold weirdness.
- dordoka 12y ago
  Try to upgrade to kernel v3.18.5+ or directly v3.19. My problems with thunderbolt are gone now after upgrading :)
abc_lisper 12y ago
Even Linus uses a Macbook. http://www.cultofmac.com/162823/linux-creator-linus-torvalds-i-love-my-macbook-air/ http://www.cultofmac.com/162823/linux-creator-linus-torvalds...
- samolang 12y ago
  I think he switched to the Pixel: http://www.zdnet.com/article/chromebooks-biggest-fan-linus-torvalds/ http://www.zdnet.com/article/chromebooks-biggest-fan-linus-t...
jkarneges 12y ago
I run Ubuntu in VMware full screen on a MacBook Air. I don't use the host Mac OS for anything important. It's a freak of nature.

wahsd 12y ago

I sense some resentment. The thing about Apple (I have no bias) is that you don't have to worry about competition. Even if there is a machine that approaches the performance and specs of a Mac, the thing Apple fans don't have to worry about is which machine to get because even the worst Apple device is miles ahead of the non Apple alternatives. The thing about Apple is that you don't have to worry about it, you can focus on the task and purpose of the tool rather than the hardware or it's specs. Given Apple's nature of maximizing profits of their product line, there's still room for the next major update of MBP line to include the same kinds of edge-less screen, and people will collectively loose their minds over it. Are people going to be satisfied with just another incremental upgrade of specs and inclusion of the same technologies as the Mac? I think they will have to put some bling in their flagship devices.

cheatsheet 12y ago
> the thing Apple fans don't have to worry about is which machine to get because even the worst Apple device is miles ahead of the non Apple alternatives This is very subjective to define. It's true, if you like apple, and all you are going to choose is stuff from apple, then you don't have to worry about examining choices in depth because there aren't very many. But quality is a subjective thing. I personally find almost every computer that exists today horrifically boring, compared to when I was growing up. The jump from no computer to computer has been much more exciting than each iteration of slightly better computer. That's really what I call 'miles ahead'. Smartphones with unlimited data were slightly revolutionary for me, in a "I can listen to music and walk anywhere I want without getting lost" kind of thing, but honestly, I haven't felt anything close to the feelings I used to feel as a kid. Trying to figure out how the entire internet is structured and comparing that to a giant computer is slightly more exciting. Comparing data models to the human brain is slightly exciting. But miles ahead sounds like we're making leaps when we aren't. And you can go ahead and argue that every leap is made up of tiny steps, but when you fade in and out of technology enough, even then, some things really feel like leaps, and other things really feel like steps. And I think that's subjective, so I'm biased, but I find it very hard to have opinions without bias, if not impossible.
- 12y ago