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I am bit disappointed. Dell has similar sized laptop, with bigger display, smaller bezel and higher resolution. http://www.dell.com/us/p/xps-13-9343-laptop/pd
by jkot 12y ago
I am bit disappointed. Dell has similar sized laptop, with bigger display, smaller bezel and higher resolution.
http://www.dell.com/us/p/xps-13-9343-laptop/pd http://www.dell.com/us/p/xps-13-9343-laptop/pd
- BryantD 12y agoWell. 25% heavier. Edit: which is not to say that the new MacBook is better; I'm just saying there are tradeoffs here. They both look pretty good to me.
- reustle 12y agoIs 25% heavier on such a light laptop that big of a difference at the end of the day?
- nfoz 12y agoOne will be comfortable in a purse, and the other will not. There are different target audiences here, and thankfully, there are different products from different competitors to choose from.
- bitwize 12y agoNo wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame.
- geoelectric 12y agoNo wireless?
- codezero 12y agoThis is a joke referring to how Slashdot made fun of the iPod when it came out: http://slashdot.org/story/01/10/23/1816257/apple-releases-ipod http://slashdot.org/story/01/10/23/1816257/apple-releases-ip...
- geoelectric 12y agoAh, thanks.
- jkot 12y agoWho cares? It is COMPATIBLE with Mac OS :-)
- rospaya 12y agoI know where the comment is coming from but I don't see the relevance. It's like everyone should blindly know Apple is going to rule everything.
- mturmon 12y agoIt is quite parallel. The GP comment compares devices based on a couple of specs (e.g., bezel size). The isolate-on-a-couple-of-specs approach has been proven to (a) not capture where the market will go, and (b) not capture how well the device works. It also tends to (c) come off as a justification for the speaker's own past purchases, or alternatively, a justification to view a new device as not quite worth purchasing yet. It sucks that, 20 years on, the same retort ("... Lame.") is just as relevant as a critique of the specmanship game practiced in these forums.
- bitwize 12y agoYes, that is exactly the point. Apple make superior products, period. Even if they fall short on this or that spec, when it comes to the user experience, fit and finish, build quality, and design innovation, the safe bet is that Apple is leagues ahead of the competition. Apple is driving most of the major advances in personal computing: since the 90s virtually every laptop has been a clone of the 1992 PowerBook -- until recently when a market developed for MacBook Air clones. PDAs were off-brand Newtons, and so were smartphones until the iPhone came out. There wasn't an appreciable tablet market until the iPad. When it comes to personal computing, it's Apple's field and everyone else just plays in it.
- codezero 12y agoI followed the link hoping I could point out how wrong you are. Nope, that's a pretty beautiful laptop. Thin, light, great screen, etc... In the end, you can look at the 12 inch MacBook as being a new notebook for people who care about running Mac OS/don't want to switch to Windows. It's a big deal because the Dell isn't an option most people want to consider :)
- geoelectric 12y agoI have to admit that, even as a "no Windows" person at this point, I'm a little on the fence about this vs. waiting for the Ubuntu version of the New XPS 13. So Dell's got at least that much going for them.
- mattdotc 12y agoI had no idea they were still doing that. The last time I purchased a laptop for personal use was the ~2007 Inspiron 1420n Ubuntu Edition. I generally prefer to work on desktops, but having the option for portability is nice. I still actually used that laptop until recently. Now I'm in the market and have been eying the XPS 13 and waiting for details about the Macbook Air. Any idea/rumors about when the Ubuntu edition will launch? I'd really like to spend less than a thousand bucks, because I just want something light that I can carry in addition to my work Macbook Pro. I like to use my commute-time on the train for side projects, but I'm concerned about using my work machine for various reasons. The new offerings from Apple today are certainly appealing, but I'm still on the fence. I don't draw arbitrary allegiances with corporations, so I have no blind brand loyalty...
- yohui 12y agoYou can check Dell's Project Sputnik community: https://plus.google.com/communities/114528776750711434800 https://plus.google.com/communities/114528776750711434800 Based on the latest update from Project Sputnik lead Barton George, it sounds like the release is drawing near: http://bartongeorge.net/2015/02/23/update-2-dell-xps-13-laptop-developer-edition-sputnik-gen-4/ http://bartongeorge.net/2015/02/23/update-2-dell-xps-13-lapt...
- gambiting 12y agoAlso made out of plastic, and just as expensive with less SSD storage.
- jkot 12y agoAluminum is not best material either, it bends too easily. EDIT: aluminium bends too easily compared to other material. It does not have best structural integrity for its weight. Magnesium alloy, carbon fiber reinforced plastic or titanium composite usually has better parameters for weight. But I am not saying that polished aluminium is bad or looks bad.
- astrodust 12y ago"Too easily"? What are you doing to your notebooks?
- proggR 12y agoI just tossed my Macbook Pro across the room the other day by accident (didn't check that my backpack was closed...). It did indeed bend the metal a bit, and the display cracked in the corner, but having seen plastic machines make the same tumble I think it would have fared significantly worse if it weren't aluminum. The force that bent the metal would have surely cracked the plastic into pieces and the display would have taken more of the shock and cracked way worse than it did.
- Tiksi 12y agoWhen I lived in college dorms a few years back, my thinkpad would fall ~6ft out of my bed onto tile a few times a week. Occasionally I had to pop the battery back in. Plastic can flex to absorb the stress without permanently deforming, aluminum not so much. Even the panasonic toughbooks are plastic, and those are probably the most durable laptops I know of by a large margin.
- X-Istence 12y agoInterestingly enough destroying a Panasonic Toughbook is easy. Stand on it with high-heels... The Panasonic rep had just been stomping on it, and then this smallish woman asks if she could try. It didn't boot or do much of anything after she had traipsed all over it. That being said, I am not saying the MB would fare much better, but those Toughbooks are not as tough as they are advertised.
- astrodust 12y agoIt's small, but it's not as small. That thing's huge in comparison.
- kbenson 12y agoIt's 0.94" wider, 0.14" deeper and 0.08" higher. Huge? For that you get another inch on your screen and 73% more pixels (3200x1800).
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- astrodust 12y agoIt's worth noting that the Quad-HD screen only comes on the more expensive models, starting at $1299. The lower priced ones come with a 1080p screen. That depth difference could feel pretty significant when the thing is razor thin. Comparison article: http://www.theverge.com/2015/3/9/8177065/apple-macbook-specs-comparison-vs-pc-windows-dell http://www.theverge.com/2015/3/9/8177065/apple-macbook-specs...
- qzcx 12y agoThe new macbook starts at $1299 as well. If you are going to compare them, then at least compare the same price points.
- throwawaymsft 12y agoThe intended audience is deciding between the various MacBooks, not between a Dell and a MacBook.
- skrowl 12y agoTHIS. You're forgetting this is an Apple product. The iSheep don't even consider competitors, regardless of specs or price advantage.
- akfanta 12y agoI don't think that's what he means. And iSheep? Seriously?
- scrollaway 12y agoiSheep and M$hill sitting in a tree, U-N-I-X-I-N-G I want to be a sheep on the wall of every one of those people who use those shitty, degrading expressions when they have their epiphany and realise how pointless and stupid it is.
- to3m 12y agoDoesn't run Mac OS, so it's not going to be much fun if you're upgrading from a previous Mac. It's also probably going to be a bit more of a pain to keep it working (there were lots of things I didn't like about Mac OS X but one thing it was pretty good at was being plug'n'play and generally not fucking up - the latter being something Windows is not so good at). baaaaaaa
- innguest 12y agoAgreed on both counts, the reason that iSheep like me don't look at competitors I'd say is ultimately what you pointed out (at least for me that's more than half the reason - no maintenance!); and I agree on not being offended by the word iSheep which I had never heard of before and I think it's funny. I bet you (skrowl) were downvoted just for using that word. It's short and sweet and conveys the necessary disdain you wanted to convey. I don't see what's wrong with it. When I had a Windows machine I had to keep up with spyware and know all sorts of arcane things about the OS just to keep it chugging. I had HijackThis on a thumbdrive at all times. Nowadays I use my Mac as if I were punishing a computer, and it keeps on working without a hitch, no drivers gone wrong, no registry crap to worry about. That's why I'm an iSheep.
- Yhippa 12y agoWhen they showed the floating bubbles on the screen I was expecting them to tease an edgeless display similar to the Dell XPS 13 Infinity Display.
- dntrkv 12y agoIf you're looking purely at specs, Windows laptops always were the better deal. But only when you use those alternatives do you realize how much further ahead Apple is.
- pionar 12y agoNot really farther at all. Examples? Dell, HP, and Lenovo all have notebooks out there that are as good as any Apple notebook.
- stcredzero 12y agoThis is always true for a given version of "as good as." Heck, it would be true for the correctly chosen "better." The truly tricky part is knowing what "as good as" or "better" will actually play well in the market.
- dntrkv 12y agoUntil you pick them up, use them, have them break, and try to get support. I used to be the guy pointing out how there are Windows laptops that are just as good as Macs. It wasn't until about 2 years ago that I just completely gave up on the Windows market and just converted fully to Apple's ecosystem. Couldn't be happier. The Windows market is in a constant state of "almost as good as Apple."
- pfisch 12y agoI have a macbook and an xps. I like the xps better for several reasons. It is difficult if not impossible to output a macbook to a tv over hdmi and also send audio. Also the dongle that does hdmi conversion breaks all the time. Our office has gone through like 4-5 of them. It is/was very difficult to disable your laptop display when plugged into a monitor in MacOS(I doubt they have fixed this issue). Also the macbook is crazily overpriced.
- dntrkv 12y agoI'm guessing you're using the Air? I've had the Air with the Display Port to HDMI dongle and now have the Pro with HDMI built in, neither had issues with outputting HDMI sound. Just plug it in, and make sure the audio output is set to the TV in the Sound settings in System Preferences. Never tried that second part, but the multi monitor support in the last couple releases of MacOS have been amazing.
- vinhboy 12y agoMan... the folks at Dell are just terrible at marketing. Look at that page the OP linked and the apple macbook page. There is absolutely no comparison. I had to make an effort to find pictures of their product. Even then, the pictures are completely distracting because of those ugly award logos they put on it. If I was Dell, I would just sit down my entire design and marketing team and make a plan for redesigning and rebranding. Their website look exactly like it did 10 years ago when Dell computers were cool.
- CamperBob2 12y agoAlso: No, actually, I don't want to "chat with a Dell expert." GTFO the page I'm trying to read. The one thing that could change my mind about patent trolls is if one of them were to pop up and banish those unsolicited floating chat windows by suing everyone who uses them.
- ihnorton 12y agoThe prevalence of "chat with us!" and "take a quick survey?" website popups encapsulates everything that is wrong with non-Apple computer hardware manufacturers.
- organsnyder 12y agoApple does seem to have replicated that experience in their brick-and-mortar stores, though.
- zippergz 12y agoReally? My experience in their bricks and mortar stores is that I can barely get someone to talk to me when I I want to buy something. Kind of the opposite problem, but almost as frustrating.
- organsnyder 12y agoI guess it depends on how busy they are. The one time I've recently set foot in an Apple store, it was swarming with employees (probably 2:1 employee:customer ratio). This was a small mall location, though—it felt claustrophobic to begin with.
- BinaryIdiot 12y agoThis. I was really hoping they would drop that bezel to make the new Mac absolutely awesome looking. Honestly I would have rather they done that than everything else they did. I was also hoping for a touch screen. While I don't use it a ton on my Windows machines with a touch screen I constantly finding myself to use it for scrolling.
- neatoincognito 12y agoIf Apple went with a smaller bezel, they couldn't have a full-size keyboard.
- BinaryIdiot 12y agoNot really; the keyboard in the new MacBook is larger than their previous one. They could have kept it about the same and been fine. Alternatively bump the display up to 13" and drop the bezel.
- binarycrusader 12y ago...and the most worthless camera placement yet seen potentially on a laptop.
- Turing_Machine 12y agoThe Dell weighs 2.6 pounds compared to 2.03 pounds for the Apple machine, uses a Core i5 rather than a Core M, no USB-C, etc. Does the Dell have a camera? I don't see it mentioned on that page, so maybe not.
- jszymborski 12y agoIt does, but it's at the bottom right of the screen. It's actually a pretty neat design and I didn't notice much difference from the youtube video I saw.
- simondelacourt 12y agoIt does have a camera, but it is located just below the screen. Your hands will be in front of it when you type use the camera.
- ssijak 12y agoi5 is faster and better than core m.
- Turing_Machine 12y agohttp://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/benchmarks/two-in-one/core-m-5y70-vs-core-i5-520um.html http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/benchmarks/two-in-one...
- MAGZine 12y agoYou do realize that a) that marketing page compares against a processor that is 4 years old, i.e. the processor in the 2011 MBA? b) Intel has made new core i5's in the last 4 years (or even 3 years, 2 years, last year...) c) we're not at a point where physics allows us to make hardware that consumes < 1/3 the power, but performs better, using the same manufacturing processes.
- flurpitude 12y agoOnly 128GB of storage? Just not enough.
- kbenson 12y agoThey have (or soon will have) a 512 GB version[1]. You can upgrade any model to 256 GB now. 1: http://www.anandtech.com/show/8983/dell-xps-13-review http://www.anandtech.com/show/8983/dell-xps-13-review
- cheesedoodles 12y agoI got a new fully specced XPS 13" from work. More than being small it's one of the worst computers I ever had. Battery life suck, fans constantly spinning in idle. The only thing I like is the charger and screen. The keyboard is somewhat nice. Other than that, totally crappy PC. Ouch that sounds harsh, but thats what take from it and for 999-1200usd you can find so much better.
- DanTheManPR 12y agoWhat would you recommend as an alternative? I have no particular interest in Apple products, but I would love a windows PC with a similar form factor and battery life as the Macbook Air.
- gnopgnip 12y agoI recently bought one of these from the Microsoft store. Zero complaints. $1300 for the 3200x1800(double 1600x900) touch, 256gb ssd, and 8gb of ram. The dell has a 15w cpu instead of the 5w in the new Mac but it weighs about a pound more. Having a headphone w mic port and 2 usb 3 ports is more useful than a type C port for me.
- jonhohle 12y agoWhat's strange to me is that Apple used to have extremely thin bezels. The Titanium Powerbooks barely had any bezel and the display was just as thin (though, this was before LED backlights).
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