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I still believe, a good or the best sysadmins are the ones who can code. A sysadmin should know the system inside out, including the software running over it.

by fsniper 12y ago

toomuchtodo 12y ago
As a sysadmin for the last 15 years, I'm fine with this, as long as you're going to pay me as a senior software engineer (if I have to know the app inside and out) who is also going to be on call constantly and doing infrastructure all day long. If you as a business or employer want to continue to squeeze additional roles and knowledge into people, be prepared to pay for it.
- fsniper 12y ago
  Of course you should get what you are worth and the position needs.
  - toomuchtodo 12y ago
    My experience has been people rarely want to pay appropriately when they're demanding you do several roles.
- virmundi 12y ago
  Why would you want to get paid less? In my experience developers in Indy get about 80k. SysAdmins for IS and SQLServer get about 120k. They also don't have to work that long since the servers themselves are fairly robust.
  - teh_klev 12y ago
    > SysAdmins for IIS and SQLServer get about 120k. [My note: I presume you do mean IIS] Presuming this is USD, but even in the UK as GBP - "In my dreams" - and I'm a developer as well as a sysadmin for Windows (IIS/SQL) and Linux (Apache/MySQL), 25 years man and boy but have always kept on top of my game :) Outside of London you'd be lucky to hit 45K GBP (~70K US$) in a permy role with that skillset, perhaps 60-65K GBP if contracting.
    - malvosenior 12y ago
      The UK pays quite a bit less than the US. $120k /year for a good sys admin would be a deal in the states.
      - kingnothing 12y ago
        A deal in San Francisco or NY perhaps, but not most of the country.
      - derekp7 12y ago
        Midwest pays about 80 to 95K for a decent sysadmin (Unix/Linux w/ 10+ years of experience), only the specialized shops (trading firms, any place with a lot of money flowing through them) will go 120K or more. If you know of any place north of Chicago that pays 120K or more for a 20-year Unix/Linux engineer with C systems level programming talent, and won't burn you out in 2 years like the trading firms downtown, I'd be interested.

I still believe, a good or the best sysadmins are the ones who can code. A sysadmin should know the system inside out, including the software running over it.

by fsniper 12y ago

I still believe, a good or the best sysadmins are the ones who can code. A sysadmin should know the system inside out, including the software running over it.

toomuchtodo 12y ago

As a sysadmin for the last 15 years, I'm fine with this, as long as you're going to pay me as a senior software engineer (if I have to know the app inside and out) who is also going to be on call constantly and doing infrastructure all day long. If you as a business or employer want to continue to squeeze additional roles and knowledge into people, be prepared to pay for it.

fsniper 12y ago
Of course you should get what you are worth and the position needs.
- toomuchtodo 12y ago
  My experience has been people rarely want to pay appropriately when they're demanding you do several roles.
virmundi 12y ago
Why would you want to get paid less? In my experience developers in Indy get about 80k. SysAdmins for IS and SQLServer get about 120k. They also don't have to work that long since the servers themselves are fairly robust.
- teh_klev 12y ago
  > SysAdmins for IIS and SQLServer get about 120k. [My note: I presume you do mean IIS] Presuming this is USD, but even in the UK as GBP - "In my dreams" - and I'm a developer as well as a sysadmin for Windows (IIS/SQL) and Linux (Apache/MySQL), 25 years man and boy but have always kept on top of my game :) Outside of London you'd be lucky to hit 45K GBP (~70K US$) in a permy role with that skillset, perhaps 60-65K GBP if contracting.
  - malvosenior 12y ago
    The UK pays quite a bit less than the US. $120k /year for a good sys admin would be a deal in the states.
    - kingnothing 12y ago
      A deal in San Francisco or NY perhaps, but not most of the country.
    - derekp7 12y ago
      Midwest pays about 80 to 95K for a decent sysadmin (Unix/Linux w/ 10+ years of experience), only the specialized shops (trading firms, any place with a lot of money flowing through them) will go 120K or more. If you know of any place north of Chicago that pays 120K or more for a 20-year Unix/Linux engineer with C systems level programming talent, and won't burn you out in 2 years like the trading firms downtown, I'd be interested.