As someone else said, I'm not talking about someone fresh out of school with a few months internship experience. >That does not work for us. How do you know,

As someone else said, I'm not talking about someone fresh out of school with a few months internship experience. >That does not work for us. How do you know, did you try it? I said 99/100, sure there are some rare people who may slip through, but there are people who slip through a coding challenge as well. How do you know that your coding test is better at detecting secretly terrible engineers than talking through past projects (for experienced engineers)? >Some people are really great talkers. They really do sound like they know what they are doing. But that does not mean they can actually do anything. That's sounds like a problem with the questions you're asking. Some people can throw out buzzwords and talk at a high level, but if you really dig down into the implementation details of project you can weed those people out.