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I find it doubtful that tech is worse than, for example, the finance industry (with its rich history of decadence and debauchery). I also find it "interesting"

I find it doubtful that tech is worse than, for example, the finance industry (with its rich history of decadence and debauchery). I also find it "interesting" that the tech industry seems to have replaced the finance industry (whose shenanigans put the West into recession) as the focus of media critique.

pron 12y ago
So your own coworkers suffer, and your response is, I find it doubtful that we terrorize women more than others? So what if that's true? Is the important story here how we've become victims of the media? Also, software is one of the very few (only?) industries where women participation has been dropping steadily[1], so I find it likely that the situation in tech is worse than in finance (they've had years to learn). Besides, it is Silicon Valley that likes to wave the false flag of meritocracy. [1]: http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2014/10/21/357629765/when-women-stopped-coding http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2014/10/21/357629765/when-wom...
- nitwit005 12y ago
  Our coworkers suffer, but so do the people I know who work in completely different industries. I have no idea how the tech industry compares to other industries in terms of treatment of women. What I can say for certain is that we do not have the amazing complaints of cocaine fueled parties filled with hookers that seem to regularly emerge from the world of finance.
  - ForHackernews 12y ago
    > cocaine fueled parties filled with hookers that seem to regularly emerge from the world of finance. Your finance industry stereotypes are about 30 years out of date. Wall Street is way less flagrant about their excess these days. Meanwhile, in tech... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titstare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titstare
    - mcantelon 12y ago
      >Your finance industry stereotypes are about 30 years out of date. Not as blatant as the "golden age", perhaps, but it seems "hookers and blow" still figure in the lifestyle. A former hedge fund trader published a book a couple years ago detailing how his company (within the last decade) plied clients with prostitutes and a wide array of illegal narcotics: http://nypost.com/2013/05/30/former-hedge-fund-titan-bares-all-in-titillating-wall-street-memoir/ http://nypost.com/2013/05/30/former-hedge-fund-titan-bares-a... Then there's the BofA banker who, last December, was found to have gone off the rails, from continual partying, and killed two sex workers: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-02/bofa-banker-arrested-hong-kong-double-murder-two-prostitutes-one-victim-was-stuffed- http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-02/bofa-banker-arreste...
      - ForHackernews 12y ago
        The first sentence of your second link: > The excesses of 1980s New York investment banking as captured best (and with just a dose of hyperbole) by Bret Easton Ellis's American Psycho may be long gone in the US...
        mcantelon 12y ago
        The first link I provided is about a book by an insider that details these excesses occurring in the 2000s. According to one tip the SEC received in 2007 about Galleon: "Prostitution is rampant for executives visiting Galleon. You will find that the Super Bowl parties for the executives, paid for by Galleon Group, include prostitutes and other forms of illegal entertainment."
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ForHackernews 12y ago
> I also find it "interesting" that the tech industry seems to have replaced the finance industry (whose shenanigans put the West into recession) as the focus of media critique. Guess who's the next group of rich people thinking their bubble's never going to pop?
- jquery 12y ago
  Who?

pron 12y ago

So your own coworkers suffer, and your response is, I find it doubtful that we terrorize women more than others? So what if that's true? Is the important story here how we've become victims of the media? Also, software is one of the very few (only?) industries where women participation has been dropping steadily[1], so I find it likely that the situation in tech is worse than in finance (they've had years to learn). Besides, it is Silicon Valley that likes to wave the false flag of meritocracy. [1]: http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2014/10/21/357629765/when-women-stopped-coding http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2014/10/21/357629765/when-wom...

nitwit005 12y ago
Our coworkers suffer, but so do the people I know who work in completely different industries. I have no idea how the tech industry compares to other industries in terms of treatment of women. What I can say for certain is that we do not have the amazing complaints of cocaine fueled parties filled with hookers that seem to regularly emerge from the world of finance.
- ForHackernews 12y ago
  > cocaine fueled parties filled with hookers that seem to regularly emerge from the world of finance. Your finance industry stereotypes are about 30 years out of date. Wall Street is way less flagrant about their excess these days. Meanwhile, in tech... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titstare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titstare
  - mcantelon 12y ago
    >Your finance industry stereotypes are about 30 years out of date. Not as blatant as the "golden age", perhaps, but it seems "hookers and blow" still figure in the lifestyle. A former hedge fund trader published a book a couple years ago detailing how his company (within the last decade) plied clients with prostitutes and a wide array of illegal narcotics: http://nypost.com/2013/05/30/former-hedge-fund-titan-bares-all-in-titillating-wall-street-memoir/ http://nypost.com/2013/05/30/former-hedge-fund-titan-bares-a... Then there's the BofA banker who, last December, was found to have gone off the rails, from continual partying, and killed two sex workers: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-02/bofa-banker-arrested-hong-kong-double-murder-two-prostitutes-one-victim-was-stuffed- http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-02/bofa-banker-arreste...
    - ForHackernews 12y ago
      The first sentence of your second link: > The excesses of 1980s New York investment banking as captured best (and with just a dose of hyperbole) by Bret Easton Ellis's American Psycho may be long gone in the US...
      - mcantelon 12y ago
        The first link I provided is about a book by an insider that details these excesses occurring in the 2000s. According to one tip the SEC received in 2007 about Galleon: "Prostitution is rampant for executives visiting Galleon. You will find that the Super Bowl parties for the executives, paid for by Galleon Group, include prostitutes and other forms of illegal entertainment."
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ForHackernews 12y ago

> I also find it "interesting" that the tech industry seems to have replaced the finance industry (whose shenanigans put the West into recession) as the focus of media critique. Guess who's the next group of rich people thinking their bubble's never going to pop?

jquery 12y ago
Who?