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I think there are valid points to both sides. Yes, clearly there is a problem (I don't think the problem is unique to tech), but if you constantly live in fear

I think there are valid points to both sides. Yes, clearly there is a problem (I don't think the problem is unique to tech), but if you constantly live in fear of the consequences of actions which you never take, you're really stuck in an endless cycle. If you report an incident to the police and if they find evidence of sexual assault, what company or coworker is going to apologize for them or criticize you? Especially if they get convicted. I can see how it poses a much greater issue when it's a "he-said she-said" scenario, but still, I think you need to at least try to escalate the issue. If you receive disbelief or even retribution for reporting it, then you leave the company and share your experience.

rtpg 12y ago
>If you report an incident to the police and if they find evidence of sexual assault, what company or coworker is going to apologize for them or criticize you? Especially if they get convicted. I want to believe this, but this is a society where a bunch of pepople on a football team got convicted for rape, and we had op-eds lamenting that these people's promising futures were "ruined" by the conviction.
grey-area 12y ago
If you report an incident to the police and if they find evidence of sexual assault, what company or coworker is going to apologize for them or criticize you? Here's some examples of the sort of reaction you can expect from company and coworkers: https://plus.google.com/+KellyEllis/posts/L4wawXpNt25 https://plus.google.com/+KellyEllis/posts/L4wawXpNt25 I personally don't know if I would have the bravery to go through all that for months or years on end during a trial - strangers questioning your motives and morals, whether you're a liar or fantasist, spewing bile about you in public forums etc etc, and many people you knew well and trusted remaining silent because they're worried about their career. At best you can expect grudging acceptance you had a case, but from most people it seems you'll hear that what happened is simply impossible. Just look at all the posts on this very story on HN: I have never observed anything like this, ever, whereas this seems to be commonplace in that strange parallel universe where these women are living. I have never seen it I really would like to better understand the specific scenario that led to being raped repeatedly "several times over months" by a colleague
jrochkind1 12y ago
> I think there are valid points to both sides. What is it you think are the two sides here?
- meowface 12y ago
  Whether or not to report harassment incidents to management or HR at a company. From the devil's advocate position, if you don't report something and the company is completely unaware of it, how could it ever be dealt with?

rtpg 12y ago

>If you report an incident to the police and if they find evidence of sexual assault, what company or coworker is going to apologize for them or criticize you? Especially if they get convicted. I want to believe this, but this is a society where a bunch of pepople on a football team got convicted for rape, and we had op-eds lamenting that these people's promising futures were "ruined" by the conviction.

grey-area 12y ago

If you report an incident to the police and if they find evidence of sexual assault, what company or coworker is going to apologize for them or criticize you? Here's some examples of the sort of reaction you can expect from company and coworkers: https://plus.google.com/+KellyEllis/posts/L4wawXpNt25 https://plus.google.com/+KellyEllis/posts/L4wawXpNt25 I personally don't know if I would have the bravery to go through all that for months or years on end during a trial - strangers questioning your motives and morals, whether you're a liar or fantasist, spewing bile about you in public forums etc etc, and many people you knew well and trusted remaining silent because they're worried about their career. At best you can expect grudging acceptance you had a case, but from most people it seems you'll hear that what happened is simply impossible. Just look at all the posts on this very story on HN: I have never observed anything like this, ever, whereas this seems to be commonplace in that strange parallel universe where these women are living. I have never seen it I really would like to better understand the specific scenario that led to being raped repeatedly "several times over months" by a colleague

jrochkind1 12y ago

> I think there are valid points to both sides. What is it you think are the two sides here?

meowface 12y ago
Whether or not to report harassment incidents to management or HR at a company. From the devil's advocate position, if you don't report something and the company is completely unaware of it, how could it ever be dealt with?