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> Grad students are compensated in other ways: training, prestige, independence, etc. A grad assistant is usually not perceived as an employer by most universi
by pXMzR2A 12y ago
> Grad students are compensated in other ways: training, prestige, independence, etc.
A grad assistant is usually not perceived as an employer by most universities, US and abroad. As such, from the university's perspective (which you took in your comment), one cannot say that they are being compensated, at all.
Assuming that you do understand that a graduate assistant (in this case, e.g. a research assistant who is also a student) is actually an employee of the university,
- The training they receive (courses et al) is what we call unpaid training. They do not receive salary for the hours they spend receiving training, which is a requirement for them to do their job (research assistant) efficiently and successfully.
- Would you accept payment in prestige if you were in, say, Google or Apple? A graduate school has much less prestige (hence the need for "internships").
- Independence does not exist for a grad assistant, whose not only livelihood but also school registration depends on her/his relationship with her/his "mentor" (i.e. boss / advisor to boss) and other department members. Not only job security but also school security depends on maintaining "good relationships" with these people. (As a student, on the other hand, s/he is expected to produce and engage in independent thought.) Additionally, this particular kind of employee cannot switch jobs easily since most jobs will not provide benefits for external education.
- No or lower-end benefits etc.
You can very easily hire a grad student on a "free market"[1] for even $15k/yr if they are [made to be] desperate enough. Most already are.
[1] Please read Adam Smith to understand how a "free market" actually operates. It's not what you think it is.
- swatow 12y agoYou're the one who doesn't understand the free market. Grad students tend to be intelligent capable people (from privileged backgrounds too!). Therefore we don't expect grad students to be desparate, because we infer that they ahve a lot of other options. The only sense in which grad students are desperate, is that they really want the other advantages that being a grad student confers, most of all the education and experience, and the degree they get at the end. And this was precisely the point of the post you replied to: graduate students are getting non-monetary compensation. If you disagree, I challenge you to find one testimonial from a grad student whose story is that they were so desperate for money, that they had no choice but to enroll in grad school to make ends meet.
- sukilot 12y agoGraduate students who work for university as teachers are unionized at many schools. Research assistants might not be, on the theory that their research work is supervised education, not net value creation.
- cafebeen 12y agoIt's better to think of grad school as an apprenticeship, where you're training under a master scholar. Here are Adam Smith's thoughts on the matter... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apprenticeship#Analogs_at_universities_and_professional_development https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apprenticeship#Analogs_at_univ...