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It's illegal in order to prevent precisely this.

by pervycreeper 12y ago

zodiakzz 12y ago
How is it determined who needs to pay child support then?
- nraynaud 12y ago
  social bond
  - golemotron 12y ago
    Social bond with a woman who cheated?
    - m_mueller 12y ago
      French society may in that aspect be a little closer to Japanese, to which I'm more familiar with: Some cultures put more value on harmony than on justice. This was at first not very easy for me to understand, coming from a German speaking culture, and I believe it may be even more difficult for Americans (who according to my impression seem to be even more demanding of 'justice'), but it is what it is. Just as an example, in case of a car accident in Japan, the blame (and thus damages/fines) is almost always shared (even in completely obvious situation where we would see one party 100% at fault), especially so when a passenger other than the driver was hurt - just so the driver in question wouldn't loose his face completely. 'Being there' at the wrong moment is enough to be partially blamed for what happened. There's something to this you know - if an incident is potent enough to destroy someone's social status, it often might be better for society to let it slip, rather than to go the 'nuclear option' (i.e. the American way) of throwing people in jail, make them loose their job, possibly their family, or even take away their children. With marriages it's similar - husbands/wives often rather don't want to know rather than to risk a family's stability.
    - nraynaud 12y ago
      nope, with the kid, did the guy create a fatherly bond with the kid?
wyager 12y ago
What is the reasoning behind that? It seems quite absurd to prevent men from knowing if they're the father of a child or not.
- nraynaud 12y ago
  The reasoning is that a "your" kid doesn't only depend on genetics, it's also through adoption, or other family system (like in Africa, some kids are raised by their aunt and uncle). Because deciding overnight that the kid should stop calling that guy daddy is not really something we want to be simple like fetching a baguette. Since it's a medical procedure, they used the medical law to limit that. A family matters judge has to be involved, and the outcome has to have a purpose. In this example the "father" was very distant and not really involved in raising the little girl and the couple was splitting, so the question of paying child support was raised. I guess the lack of a fatherly bond and the lack of genetic link made the judge decide against the child support and allowed the father to be removed from the child birth certificate (but it's a soft limit, the judge has to make a difficult call for the definition of father).

It's illegal in order to prevent precisely this.

zodiakzz 12y ago

How is it determined who needs to pay child support then?

nraynaud 12y ago
social bond
- golemotron 12y ago
  Social bond with a woman who cheated?
  - m_mueller 12y ago
    French society may in that aspect be a little closer to Japanese, to which I'm more familiar with: Some cultures put more value on harmony than on justice. This was at first not very easy for me to understand, coming from a German speaking culture, and I believe it may be even more difficult for Americans (who according to my impression seem to be even more demanding of 'justice'), but it is what it is. Just as an example, in case of a car accident in Japan, the blame (and thus damages/fines) is almost always shared (even in completely obvious situation where we would see one party 100% at fault), especially so when a passenger other than the driver was hurt - just so the driver in question wouldn't loose his face completely. 'Being there' at the wrong moment is enough to be partially blamed for what happened. There's something to this you know - if an incident is potent enough to destroy someone's social status, it often might be better for society to let it slip, rather than to go the 'nuclear option' (i.e. the American way) of throwing people in jail, make them loose their job, possibly their family, or even take away their children. With marriages it's similar - husbands/wives often rather don't want to know rather than to risk a family's stability.
  - nraynaud 12y ago
    nope, with the kid, did the guy create a fatherly bond with the kid?

wyager 12y ago

What is the reasoning behind that? It seems quite absurd to prevent men from knowing if they're the father of a child or not.

nraynaud 12y ago
The reasoning is that a "your" kid doesn't only depend on genetics, it's also through adoption, or other family system (like in Africa, some kids are raised by their aunt and uncle). Because deciding overnight that the kid should stop calling that guy daddy is not really something we want to be simple like fetching a baguette. Since it's a medical procedure, they used the medical law to limit that. A family matters judge has to be involved, and the outcome has to have a purpose. In this example the "father" was very distant and not really involved in raising the little girl and the couple was splitting, so the question of paying child support was raised. I guess the lack of a fatherly bond and the lack of genetic link made the judge decide against the child support and allowed the father to be removed from the child birth certificate (but it's a soft limit, the judge has to make a difficult call for the definition of father).