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Crazy that “shitty” listings in California are $500k and up.

rgbrgb 12y ago
Indeed, property values in CA are insane right now. Here's a super nuts one... this piece of undeveloped land is going for $1809/sqft https://www.openlistings.co/p/427-14th-st-santa-monica-ca-90402 https://www.openlistings.co/p/427-14th-st-santa-monica-ca-90... That said, by "shitty" I don't mean bad or cheap, just that the value would be boosted a lot if it was fixed up.
Iftheshoefits 12y ago
Listings in the Bay Area are absurd. I can buy 6 (larger, better maintained) houses almost anywhere else in the country for the price as one house that would be a "starter home" in those same places. The opportunities and culture in the Bay Area are better, but not 6x better than many of these other places.
- Kalium 12y ago
  Classic supply shock.
  - Iftheshoefits 12y ago
    I guess. I just can't fathom how anybody could have any information at all about property values anywhere else and still look at the housing prices out here and think, "Gee, it's a great idea to buy!" For most (the overwhelming majority of) people it's much cheaper to rent than service a mortgage here, and while there are positives to ownership (e.g. control of the property), it strikes me as less than financially rational to believe they outweigh all the many negatives (opportunity cost, cost of ownership, etc.). The only good reason to buy in the Bay Area is to be able to control the property. Buying homes as an investment is risky anywhere, but it's especially stupid around here for most people, simply because the expected ROI is so much worse for a given sum of money than can be had in almost any other investment. Only the super (top of the top 1%) have any business putting "home ownership" and "investment" in the same thought for this area.
    - mobiplayer 12y ago
      It is not a bad idea to buy there just as it is not a bad idea to buy in London as opposed to cheaper areas. The prices are not only higher, but the rate at what they were getting higher was also faster than other areas. In other words, your investment grows faster. If you can afford to buy and plan to sell in 2-3 years you can probably make much more money in the Bay Area than in somewhere else.

Indeed, property values in CA are insane right now. Here's a super nuts one... this piece of undeveloped land is going for $1809/sqft https://www.openlistings.co/p/427-14th-st-santa-monica-ca-90402 https://www.openlistings.co/p/427-14th-st-santa-monica-ca-90... That said, by "shitty" I don't mean bad or cheap, just that the value would be boosted a lot if it was fixed up.

Iftheshoefits 12y ago

Listings in the Bay Area are absurd. I can buy 6 (larger, better maintained) houses almost anywhere else in the country for the price as one house that would be a "starter home" in those same places. The opportunities and culture in the Bay Area are better, but not 6x better than many of these other places.

Kalium 12y ago
Classic supply shock.
- Iftheshoefits 12y ago
  I guess. I just can't fathom how anybody could have any information at all about property values anywhere else and still look at the housing prices out here and think, "Gee, it's a great idea to buy!" For most (the overwhelming majority of) people it's much cheaper to rent than service a mortgage here, and while there are positives to ownership (e.g. control of the property), it strikes me as less than financially rational to believe they outweigh all the many negatives (opportunity cost, cost of ownership, etc.). The only good reason to buy in the Bay Area is to be able to control the property. Buying homes as an investment is risky anywhere, but it's especially stupid around here for most people, simply because the expected ROI is so much worse for a given sum of money than can be had in almost any other investment. Only the super (top of the top 1%) have any business putting "home ownership" and "investment" in the same thought for this area.
  - mobiplayer 12y ago
    It is not a bad idea to buy there just as it is not a bad idea to buy in London as opposed to cheaper areas. The prices are not only higher, but the rate at what they were getting higher was also faster than other areas. In other words, your investment grows faster. If you can afford to buy and plan to sell in 2-3 years you can probably make much more money in the Bay Area than in somewhere else.