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Disclaimer: Not defending threatening her. Definitely defending SendGrid for firing her though. > by people that were extremely angered by something that shoul

Disclaimer: Not defending threatening her. Definitely defending SendGrid for firing her though. > by people that were extremely angered by something that should have been easily dismissed as a mistake. It was a pretty big mistake on her part, going on for days and as far as I am aware she never apologized. > Her apparent pattern of reacting loudly to small offenses ... also isn't something to become angry and outraged over. Also not when it costs two people their jobs?

maxerickson 12y ago
I don't accept the premise that she cost Hank his job. Conveniently, my argument is that the incident itself didn't deserve all the negative attention it got (it should have mostly been ignored), and in the absence of all that negative attention, Hank probably would not have lost his job. Also, my point was to respond to the comparison you made: And here folks I guess we have a real case of harassment. I think there is a line to be drawn somewhere between here and pycon (two men talking privately about something that could be understood as offensive). There's very little denouncement of the dongle joke. There's wide agreement that it wasn't outrageous. It wasn't the remarkable thing about the incident, merely the first thing that happened. Yet you've characterized 'pycon' as being on the other side of some line that defines real harassment.
- reitanqild 12y ago
  > I don't accept the premise that she cost Hank his job. If someone start a fire in a building then they would be stupid to argue that the reason people got hurt was because firemen didn't react quickly enough. There is no doubt she started it, she could have prevented all this from happening in the first place. * She took offence over a private conversation between two others. * She publicly shamed them by including the picture etc. She could have talked to them. She could have talked to the organizers. Instead she decided to abuse her position and go straight to public shaming. That said, yes, a lot of interesting decisions here.
  - maxerickson 12y ago
    Hank's former employers are not combustible inanimate objects. They have responsibility for their own actions. I mean, imagine if someone they knew nothing about had told them he was a space alien and they fired him for that. Who would you blame then? Anyway, again, my point was that there was internet hate machine harassment following the incident at Pycon, following from some minor thing that should not really even catch the interest of strangers, just like in this story.

maxerickson 12y ago

I don't accept the premise that she cost Hank his job. Conveniently, my argument is that the incident itself didn't deserve all the negative attention it got (it should have mostly been ignored), and in the absence of all that negative attention, Hank probably would not have lost his job. Also, my point was to respond to the comparison you made: And here folks I guess we have a real case of harassment. I think there is a line to be drawn somewhere between here and pycon (two men talking privately about something that could be understood as offensive). There's very little denouncement of the dongle joke. There's wide agreement that it wasn't outrageous. It wasn't the remarkable thing about the incident, merely the first thing that happened. Yet you've characterized 'pycon' as being on the other side of some line that defines real harassment.

reitanqild 12y ago
> I don't accept the premise that she cost Hank his job. If someone start a fire in a building then they would be stupid to argue that the reason people got hurt was because firemen didn't react quickly enough. There is no doubt she started it, she could have prevented all this from happening in the first place. * She took offence over a private conversation between two others. * She publicly shamed them by including the picture etc. She could have talked to them. She could have talked to the organizers. Instead she decided to abuse her position and go straight to public shaming. That said, yes, a lot of interesting decisions here.
- maxerickson 12y ago
  Hank's former employers are not combustible inanimate objects. They have responsibility for their own actions. I mean, imagine if someone they knew nothing about had told them he was a space alien and they fired him for that. Who would you blame then? Anyway, again, my point was that there was internet hate machine harassment following the incident at Pycon, following from some minor thing that should not really even catch the interest of strangers, just like in this story.