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Famous people leach fame into others by interacting with them. The easiest way to force someone to interact with you is to hit them somewhere vulnerable. Mr Sch

by jimworm 12y ago

Famous people leach fame into others by interacting with them. The easiest way to force someone to interact with you is to hit them somewhere vulnerable. Mr Schilling either wasn't aware of his vulnerability or hoped that it wouldn't be exploited. When it did get exploited, he didn't try to hide it, leaving a gaping wound for even more famewhores to leech fame from him. It worked, because I saw their tweets and I'm not even a baseball fan. Compare that with someone sufficiently invulnerable, Obama for instance. Or even Chuck Norris. The other fact is that with a large audience, it'd be silly not to expect that some percentage would be murderers/rapists/other unsavoury types. Getting a dozen offensive tweets out of a million-strong audience is still only 0.000012%, orders of magnitude less than the actual threat of rape.

leereeves 12y ago
What would happen to someone who made comments like these about Obama's daughters?
- skj 12y ago
  I'm pretty sure lots of people do this.
  - minikites 12y ago
    So that makes it okay?
    - vezzy-fnord 12y ago
      I don't know if it's okay, but it is a fact that celebrities and common folk are held to different public standards. This has been true since the days of village gossiping to the present where countless publications exist for the sole purpose of serving as trash rags and yellow tabloids on the private lives of high-profile public figures, going day by day without significant legal troubles.
      - chris_wot 12y ago
        "I don't know if it's OK" Here's your answer then. It's not, and it never will be.
        chris_wot 12y ago
        People can down vote if they want, but it's still not acceptable. It's been interesting watching my comment's score going up and down like a yoyo though.
    - ZoF 12y ago
      I don't see that being implied by the parent comment.
    - skj 12y ago
      If I said that lots of people commit murder, is that an endorsement of murder?
      - minikites 12y ago
        Lots of people don't commit murder.
- jimworm 12y ago
  They wouldn't expect to make international news by being mentioned in a blog post from the president, that's for sure.
  - chris_wot 12y ago
    Just a visit to their employer by the Secret Service. Don't think it hasn't happened, it once happened to a Kuro5hin contributor. http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/12/20/211923/84 http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/12/20/211923/84
- deleted 12y ago
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- _cudgel 12y ago
  Predator Drone.
digi_owl 12y ago
Pretty much. Sadly people will do the dumbest things for attention. Just look at the number of down right degrading "entertainment" shows that are out there, and that they seem to never run out of participants.
chris_wot 12y ago
This is coming perilously close to victim blaming. When these horrible tweets are made, there's always a contingent who says that the target should ignore them. You probably should if they are completely anonymous. But if they aren't - have at 'em!
- mcmancini 12y ago
  Can you help me to understand victim blaming? Is it victim blaming to say someone was exercising poor risk management? I think of taking precautions online as being like defensive driving (or any kind of risk management really). If Alice gets sideswiped on the highway because Bob was on his cell phone and didn't check his blind spot, Bob maybe gets charged with failure to maintain the lane or something like that. Doesn't Alice share some responsibility by recognizing that Bob, being on his cell phone, posed an elevated risk and managing accordingly (say by changing to a more distant lane)?
  - chris_wot 12y ago
    That's a terrible analogy. Firstly, that analogy is ridiculous: Alice doesn't necessarily see that Bob is on his cell phone, she's concentrating on the road and cars around her - not looking intently into the car next to her! In fact, being in a blind spot means that it's literally impossible for Alice to see that Bob is on his phone. So the answer is no, she doesn't bear any responsibility at all. Secondly, you should be able to congratulate your daughter on Twitter regardless of your status as a public person. I can't be held responsible for your actions. Making an innocent tweet about your daughter is not something you should have to be worried about. That's chilling freedom of expression! So you can't be a proud dad because some arsehole might threaten to rape your daughter? Give me a break.
    - mcmancini 12y ago
      Now I'm really confused. You're saying that if Alice is in Bob's blind spot, it is impossible for Alice to see Bob on his phone? Are we talking about the same blind spot?
eveningcoffee 12y ago
No, we should not live in the world where any kind of rape threat is tolerable. Period. This, or threat of murder or serious injury should be not acceptable in any form.

by jimworm 12y ago

leereeves 12y ago

What would happen to someone who made comments like these about Obama's daughters?

skj 12y ago
I'm pretty sure lots of people do this.
- minikites 12y ago
  So that makes it okay?
  - vezzy-fnord 12y ago
    I don't know if it's okay, but it is a fact that celebrities and common folk are held to different public standards. This has been true since the days of village gossiping to the present where countless publications exist for the sole purpose of serving as trash rags and yellow tabloids on the private lives of high-profile public figures, going day by day without significant legal troubles.
    - chris_wot 12y ago
      "I don't know if it's OK" Here's your answer then. It's not, and it never will be.
      - chris_wot 12y ago
        People can down vote if they want, but it's still not acceptable. It's been interesting watching my comment's score going up and down like a yoyo though.
  - ZoF 12y ago
    I don't see that being implied by the parent comment.
  - skj 12y ago
    If I said that lots of people commit murder, is that an endorsement of murder?
    - minikites 12y ago
      Lots of people don't commit murder.
jimworm 12y ago
They wouldn't expect to make international news by being mentioned in a blog post from the president, that's for sure.
- chris_wot 12y ago
  Just a visit to their employer by the Secret Service. Don't think it hasn't happened, it once happened to a Kuro5hin contributor. http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/12/20/211923/84 http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/12/20/211923/84
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_cudgel 12y ago
Predator Drone.

digi_owl 12y ago

Pretty much. Sadly people will do the dumbest things for attention. Just look at the number of down right degrading "entertainment" shows that are out there, and that they seem to never run out of participants.

chris_wot 12y ago

This is coming perilously close to victim blaming. When these horrible tweets are made, there's always a contingent who says that the target should ignore them. You probably should if they are completely anonymous. But if they aren't - have at 'em!

mcmancini 12y ago
Can you help me to understand victim blaming? Is it victim blaming to say someone was exercising poor risk management? I think of taking precautions online as being like defensive driving (or any kind of risk management really). If Alice gets sideswiped on the highway because Bob was on his cell phone and didn't check his blind spot, Bob maybe gets charged with failure to maintain the lane or something like that. Doesn't Alice share some responsibility by recognizing that Bob, being on his cell phone, posed an elevated risk and managing accordingly (say by changing to a more distant lane)?
- chris_wot 12y ago
  That's a terrible analogy. Firstly, that analogy is ridiculous: Alice doesn't necessarily see that Bob is on his cell phone, she's concentrating on the road and cars around her - not looking intently into the car next to her! In fact, being in a blind spot means that it's literally impossible for Alice to see that Bob is on his phone. So the answer is no, she doesn't bear any responsibility at all. Secondly, you should be able to congratulate your daughter on Twitter regardless of your status as a public person. I can't be held responsible for your actions. Making an innocent tweet about your daughter is not something you should have to be worried about. That's chilling freedom of expression! So you can't be a proud dad because some arsehole might threaten to rape your daughter? Give me a break.
  - mcmancini 12y ago
    Now I'm really confused. You're saying that if Alice is in Bob's blind spot, it is impossible for Alice to see Bob on his phone? Are we talking about the same blind spot?

eveningcoffee 12y ago

No, we should not live in the world where any kind of rape threat is tolerable. Period. This, or threat of murder or serious injury should be not acceptable in any form.