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I think I read that he said something like "bla bla Sacha Grey is hot"... That is fine.. But then he allegedly goes on to say "Has anyone seen any of her movies
by mladenkovacevic 12y ago
I think I read that he said something like "bla bla Sacha Grey is hot"... That is fine.. But then he allegedly goes on to say "Has anyone seen any of her movies?" This is crossing the line. At this point he's asking coworkers to share details of their sexual life with him. Like you wanna know what kinda porn I jerk off to? Get some common sense.
- JDiculous 12y agoIt's casual conversation, stop overanalyzing it.
- mladenkovacevic 12y agoIt's casual conversation with a close friend or intimate partner. It's not a "group discussion" topic for coworkers with varied backgrounds. I come from a very liberal, non-christian European background and the experience of discussing what kind of pornos I watch in my private time with a boss is getting frighteningly close to a circle jerk. EDIT: then again circle jerks are more common in some places than others.
- JDiculous 12y agoI've talked about porn with my bosses and co-workers. It's not really a big deal.
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- skj 12y agoActually it sort of is. It sounds like you might be a problem.
- JDiculous 12y agoYou're imposing your personal conservative standards on others. What if I told you that you can't talk about rap music because it offends me? That'd be incredibly arrogant. I think the problem is you.
- skj 12y agoNot all issues are equal. Porn, in particular, has a lot of history of abuse of its participants and objectification of a large class of people. Rap music is a genre. If you said "rap music that talks about running around murdering police officers", despite the fact that no police officers were murdered in the making of that song, it would probably also be offensive.
- EliRivers 12y agoWhat if I told you that you can't talk about rap music because it offends me? Do you mean ever, or do you just mean to you (or in a group conversation in which you are taking part)? Because the latter would be absolutely fine. You don't want to talk about that, no worries. I won't bring it up. What's the problem with that?
- pekk 12y agoSaying these things to strangers on a cruise ship would make you pretty much a creepy greaseball, unless you already had a good idea this kind of discussion was welcomed by your audience. Even just thinking about it, I want to cringe and feel embarrassed at how socially inept and inappropriate it is. Being a creepy greaseball is not illegal, we have social ways of dealing with that. But this wasn't that situation, it was a more serious one, because these were subordinates he had control over; in that position it's just not ethical to push people to talk about porn and to accept your announcement that you want to grope them. And it's bad business when we are talking about people who were not hired as prostitutes but as long-term assets for the company.
- JDiculous 12y agoTalking about porn makes you a creepy greaseball? I guess that makes me one.
- jfb 12y agoTalking about porn in the presence of people who's attitudes towards porn you are not sure of, yeah, that makes you a creepy greaseball. Talking about porn socially with people who's attitudes you know? That's not creepy at all. Talking about porn with a subordinate of <appropriate gender>? Never OK. The thing here is understanding context and the way other people's feelings need to be respected.
- seri 12y agoSeeing how down-voted you are makes me scared of the US work environment. Looks like the only way to avoid any potential trouble is to act like a robot not just at work but also at company outings.