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On her twitter page she describes herself as: Kelly Ellis - "bitchy software engineer. doing what i can to smash the patriarchy." I'd really like to know the

On her twitter page she describes herself as: Kelly Ellis - "bitchy software engineer. doing what i can to smash the patriarchy." I'd really like to know the context of the quoted "harassment" statement, if this was at work or during drinks afterwards, if it was a badly timed joke, a badly worded praise for fixing an issue, if this just happened once, or multiple times. And the reason for making this public... Before I start publicly crucifying anyone and removing them from all future gainful employment. Harassment is repetitive pressure or intimidation. Not a once off joke made by a person because he though they where getting together well and he brought down his guard for a second.

bsaul 12y ago
Had the exact same reaction, but you've got to read the whole twitter stream to realize that this is maybe a global management issue, and not just one guy. She did complain to her bosses, that did nothing, and the guy clearly isn't the only one to make those kind of remarks in the company.
- powertower 12y ago
  From what I've been able to put together, she posted all the instances of the alleged "harassment", which consists of the quoted comment, and this one (made by another Google employee) - "You look amazing in that bathing suit, like a rock star." It also seems like both statements where made years apart, and possibly happened after work. And one of the accused persons already has made the statement that he had little to no contact with her aside from being in the same org.
  - bsaul 12y ago
    It seemed to me like a general atmosphere very male oriented, which she felt very akward with ( eg the comment about the pornstar). But the fact that she complained to HR and that as a consequence she ended up feeling like she had to leave makes me think there could be an issue. Although as a european, of course all of this debate seems very American ( except maybe the ass grabbing part, which could only have been excused if under influence).
    - vidarh 12y ago
      > But the fact that she complained to HR and that as a consequence she ended up feeling like she had to leave makes me think there could be an issue. There may very well be an issue, but note that you are now repeating an unsubstantiated allegation and describing it as fact. If what she wrote is accurate and factual, and they very well may be, then at least the director in question likely went far over the line, regardless of context, and there may very well be issues with the general culture too. But we have a few tweets, and don't have the other side.

bsaul 12y ago

Had the exact same reaction, but you've got to read the whole twitter stream to realize that this is maybe a global management issue, and not just one guy. She did complain to her bosses, that did nothing, and the guy clearly isn't the only one to make those kind of remarks in the company.

powertower 12y ago
From what I've been able to put together, she posted all the instances of the alleged "harassment", which consists of the quoted comment, and this one (made by another Google employee) - "You look amazing in that bathing suit, like a rock star." It also seems like both statements where made years apart, and possibly happened after work. And one of the accused persons already has made the statement that he had little to no contact with her aside from being in the same org.
- bsaul 12y ago
  It seemed to me like a general atmosphere very male oriented, which she felt very akward with ( eg the comment about the pornstar). But the fact that she complained to HR and that as a consequence she ended up feeling like she had to leave makes me think there could be an issue. Although as a european, of course all of this debate seems very American ( except maybe the ass grabbing part, which could only have been excused if under influence).
  - vidarh 12y ago
    > But the fact that she complained to HR and that as a consequence she ended up feeling like she had to leave makes me think there could be an issue. There may very well be an issue, but note that you are now repeating an unsubstantiated allegation and describing it as fact. If what she wrote is accurate and factual, and they very well may be, then at least the director in question likely went far over the line, regardless of context, and there may very well be issues with the general culture too. But we have a few tweets, and don't have the other side.