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It is pretty amazing that we've taken computing, a field that has traditionally been a refuge of social outcasts, and turned it into an environment where being
by eirteep 12y ago
It is pretty amazing that we've taken computing, a field that has traditionally been a refuge of social outcasts, and turned it into an environment where being a tactless creep is outrage worthy.
- rwbcxrz 12y ago> social outcast > tactless creep What does either of these have to do with the other? I don't think social outcast implies tactless creep, and unfortunately, tactless creep clearly doesn't imply social outcast.
- eirteep 12y agoYou're setting up a straw man of equivalence. > I don't think social outcast implies tactless creep Of course, because there is more than one way to lack social skills. > tactless creep clearly doesn't imply social outcast Outcasts go on to form their own organizations (eg Google). Someone can progress to fit in reasonably, but that doesn't mean they're completely normal (in this instance, hitting on someone who is not interested).
- detcader 12y agoA manager at Google abusing a woman and being protected for it is outrage-worthy. Your attempt to frame that reality as less serious is unimpressive.
- eirteep 12y agoI read the tweets before commenting. The only specifics I saw were several verbal remarks (please correct me if I missed something). Framing poor taste compliments as "abuse" is less impressive.
- detcader 12y agoAre you implying that "verbal abuse" is entirely impossible? But verbal abuse is a widely recognized category of abuse in law enforcement and domestic violence support networks around the world. You can see the top-level comment by kelukelugames for more info
- eirteep 12y agoVerbal abuse is a thing. Unwanted compliments do not immediately constitute verbal abuse.
- detcader 12y agoDid you see kelukelugames's comment that I mentioned?
- eirteep 12y agoYes. Our disagreement comes from you framing the issue as unquestionable "abuse" to shut down rational discussion. You are assuming that a disinterested third party would conclude the environment was indeed hostile, and you are also asserting that a hostile environment necessarily implies abuse rather than differing perspectives. At this point I know the game. It is to keep me engaged so that my tangential comments can be picked apart to show what a shitlord I am and to make my original point easier to ignore. Enjoy your political dystopia.
- clavalle 12y ago"Unwanted complements"? C'mon. That is not a compliment. 'Nice hat' is a complement. "I'm having a hard time not grabbing your ass" is not a complement. In the best light it is a clumsy pass at her. And that is being overly generous.