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I don't think that's true. You might get disregarded as a "business guy" if you show up to a meetup in a suit. But it's just as likely that people will just ass

I don't think that's true. You might get disregarded as a "business guy" if you show up to a meetup in a suit. But it's just as likely that people will just assume you're in financials. One of the better Python speakers I know of shows up everywhere in a suit. But women consistently report not being taken seriously when wearing dresses.

gaius 12y ago
The key takeaway is, as soon as she dressed as a member of "the tribe" everything was fine. So that tells me it's something other than a gender issue.
- andyroid 12y ago
  Yeah, either that or "the tribe" is the gender issue.
bhayden 12y ago
I don't think a woman in a dress is analogous to a man in a suit. Here is a woman in a dress, something she might wear to convention about programming if she wanted to wear a dress: http://dressforweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Korean-version-of-the-2013-summer-dress-with-belt-buckle-short-sleeved-plus-size-casual-dress.jpg http://dressforweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Korean-ver... It's fairly modest and not loudly styled. This is not the same style of dress as a man wearing a suit. The equivalent for a woman would be this: http://www.acrdepos.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Women-Business-Pant-Suit.jpg http://www.acrdepos.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/06... or this, if you wanted a dress: http://juegoskizi2.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/skirt-suits-for-women-elite-skirt-suits-for-women.jpg http://juegoskizi2.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/skirt-suit... I do not thing most women would have an issue about assuming they aren't a programmer (any more than a man in a suit) wearing either of those two last things I linked.
- stephenboyd 12y ago
  This is the author at a programming conference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6071MRIzCA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6071MRIzCA You might say that it's loudly styled, but somehow this guy never has people doubting his programming cred: https://www.google.com/search?site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1366&bih=680&q=larry+wall https://www.google.com/search?site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1...

gaius 12y ago

The key takeaway is, as soon as she dressed as a member of "the tribe" everything was fine. So that tells me it's something other than a gender issue.

andyroid 12y ago
Yeah, either that or "the tribe" is the gender issue.

bhayden 12y ago

I don't think a woman in a dress is analogous to a man in a suit. Here is a woman in a dress, something she might wear to convention about programming if she wanted to wear a dress: http://dressforweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Korean-version-of-the-2013-summer-dress-with-belt-buckle-short-sleeved-plus-size-casual-dress.jpg http://dressforweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Korean-ver... It's fairly modest and not loudly styled. This is not the same style of dress as a man wearing a suit. The equivalent for a woman would be this: http://www.acrdepos.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Women-Business-Pant-Suit.jpg http://www.acrdepos.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/06... or this, if you wanted a dress: http://juegoskizi2.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/skirt-suits-for-women-elite-skirt-suits-for-women.jpg http://juegoskizi2.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/skirt-suit... I do not thing most women would have an issue about assuming they aren't a programmer (any more than a man in a suit) wearing either of those two last things I linked.

stephenboyd 12y ago
This is the author at a programming conference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6071MRIzCA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6071MRIzCA You might say that it's loudly styled, but somehow this guy never has people doubting his programming cred: https://www.google.com/search?site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1366&bih=680&q=larry+wall https://www.google.com/search?site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1...