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I am a mathematics professor at an R1 university who has been directly involved in faculty searches for four years in a row. This article is quite mistaken, at
by impendia 12y ago
I am a mathematics professor at an R1 university who has been directly involved in faculty searches for four years in a row.
This article is quite mistaken, at least from the perspective of an academic mathematician. (Maybe it is more accurate in the humanities.)
(1) This year, two of the three candidates whom we interviewed got their Ph.D.'s at non-top-20 universities. We made offers to both of them. One of them turned us down, in favor of a better offer from another R1 university.
The third got his Ph.D. at a top-20, but not top-10 university.
The last person we hired, in a previous year's search, also got his Ph.D. at a non-top-20 university.
(2) My own university is not in the top 50. Most of our own Ph.D. graduates, if I limit to the strongest and hardworking ones, have been successful in getting either academic jobs at good universities, or very appealing non-academic jobs.
(3) In mathematics at least, the top universities offer a much better graduate education than non-top universities. For one, the absolute leading researchers are at the top universities, and there is a big gap between these people and merely very good researchers. (I say that, counting myself in the latter category.)
But still more important than that is the quality of the peer group. In grad school (at least in math) you learn much more from your peers than from your professors, and Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, etc. attract the most talented, ambitious, and hard-working students. That is why these places are so good.
(4) "Why don’t prospective graduate students simply limit their applications to favored elite institutions? The answer is often financial, and, again, speaks to privilege and discrimination endemic to academic culture. The most prestigious universities – the Ivy League, University of Chicago, Stanford University, the University of California system – tend to lie in the most expensive parts of the country."
Well, for one, these places all pay higher stipends. I don't know of any grad students in math at any of these places who have had difficulties paying their living expenses, except for those who were simultaneously trying to raise families.
Ambitious students who can get into elite universities, usually should. And exceptions are typically in the case of elite research groups in otherwise non-elite universities.
I am not saying that there is no privilege and discrimination in mathematics departments (the gender ratio is notoriously bad), but I find the author's criticisms off-base.
- east2west 12y agoI know many biomedical faculty members in Stanfod pay their postdocs below NIH suggested levels, just because they can. I would caution people of survivor's bias. Only saints promote people with strong different options and who act on their options. Academia is full of strong egos.
- skosuri 12y agoReally, that is surprising, because it is disallowed. Stanford, like all UC's where I am at, have salary minimums. Stanford's minimum is higher than the NIH levels [1]. It would be hard to pay someone under the table, so I don't see how this is really occurring. [1] http://postdocs.stanford.edu/handbook/salary.html http://postdocs.stanford.edu/handbook/salary.html
- hga 12y agoHmmm. Unless Stanford and the NIH turn a blind eye to it---this is trivial to audit---this could not be happening without the faculty getting kickbacks.
- skosuri 12y agoIt's not happening as far as I know (I'm faculty at UCLA and employ several postdocs).
- east2west 12y agoI heard from my postdoc friends at Stanford a couple of years ago about the pay levels. It could have changed now but I doubt it. Do postdocs at Stanford still pay tuitions? My experience is that UCSF > UC Berkeley > Stanford as far as postdocs' compensation is concerned.
- skosuri 12y agoStanford has always been pretty good with postdoc pay, and postdocs never paid tuition. Pretty much all of these schools and mine (UCLA) are on similar levels. At all UC's postdocs are unionized as well given additional protections (like 1yr contracts, limits on training time, etc).
- acadien 12y ago>For one, the absolute leading researchers are at the top universities, and there is a big gap between these people and merely very good researchers. I have noticed the opposite effect. Typically the best researchers are the worst instructors, prepare the least for their courses and couldn't care less about their teaching quality. Those that are both solid instructors and researchers are exceptionally rare. While leading researchers may have a better grasp of their specialized field this is often not applicable in graduate courses. The exception being when those professors develop an entire course around their research and (often) force many of their research students into that course.