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There is no "social stigma" to prostitution afaik. I keep seeing people (mostly men) assert this as gospel truth, but it's an extremely common phenomenon around

There is no "social stigma" to prostitution afaik. I keep seeing people (mostly men) assert this as gospel truth, but it's an extremely common phenomenon around the world. I'm going to need sources on the claim that there is some stigma.

stcredzero 12y ago
There is no "social stigma" to prostitution afaik. https://www.google.com/search?q=social+stigma+prostution+north+america&oq=social+stigma+prostution+north+america https://www.google.com/search?q=social+stigma+prostution+nor... EDIT: "Social stigma" that looks like, sounds like, and feels like social stigma passes the "duck test." It essentially is social stigma. It doesn't matter so much for the question of its existence who in particular it originates with.
- detcader 12y ago
  You could also say that adultery has a social stigma, but you see it everywhere, even from the most conservative of men. I would argue that this is not "social stigma", but rather a different conception of controlling women. To the aging, minority group of conservative men who are supposedly "against" prostitution, women are supposed to be private property, not public property.
  - stcredzero 12y ago
    "Social stigma" that looks like, sounds like, and feels like social stigma passes the "duck test." It essentially is social stigma. It doesn't matter so much for the question of its existence who in particular it originates with. I've met way too many young people who have strong feelings against prostitution to think you are correct, however.
    - detcader 12y ago
      I think the URL is yourfallacyis dot com slash anecdotal? And maybe those young people were against prostitution because they believed it to be harmful to women as a class and involves extreme violence to individual women, whose stories you can find everywhere -- did you ask them? But yes, if we define "social stigma" so broadly that it includes legitimate concern for individuals and groups, there is also social stigma against pedophilia, I guess.
      - stcredzero 12y ago
        You're weirdly defining "social stigma" as only including stigma which is unjust? As used in common speech, there is indeed "social stigma" against pedophiles. The third time someone tries the trick of a contrarian and unconventional personal definition of a word to put words into someone's mouth to create a false impression of an unsavory position, it's time to simply break off the interaction.
anigbrowl 12y ago
If you're not trolling then you're painfully naive. I find it impossible to reconcile this with your other comment elsewhere in this subthread.
- detcader 12y ago
  What makes you say this? Did you read my comment to stcredzero below?
  - anigbrowl 12y ago
    I did, and your comment referencing Gail Dines. It seems to me that you're way over-reliant on theory to the point that you're missing the forest for the trees. Try pretending to to people outside your social circle that you are engaged in prostitution, or dating a prostitute, or variations on that fictional theme.
    - detcader 12y ago
      The social attitute toward being a prostitute is another thing entirely. I was talking about "social stigma" against using prostitutes. In most contexts "outside of my social circle", "sex" itself is generally seen as humorous/inappropriate topic, for reasons that I don't think are due to sex being seen as shameful or worthy of stigma, although many claim that this is the case. So if I did what you suggest, there would be confounding variables, would there not? I think if my boss and I (he counts as outside my circle, no?) were both drunk in a bar, and I mentioned using a prostitute, his jaw would stay well off of the floor. I think this is true of most men, even the conservative Republicans ones who act otherwise in more "family" type situation. I will suggest that you try it, maybe I'm wrong.

stcredzero 12y ago

There is no "social stigma" to prostitution afaik. https://www.google.com/search?q=social+stigma+prostution+north+america&oq=social+stigma+prostution+north+america https://www.google.com/search?q=social+stigma+prostution+nor... EDIT: "Social stigma" that looks like, sounds like, and feels like social stigma passes the "duck test." It essentially is social stigma. It doesn't matter so much for the question of its existence who in particular it originates with.

detcader 12y ago
You could also say that adultery has a social stigma, but you see it everywhere, even from the most conservative of men. I would argue that this is not "social stigma", but rather a different conception of controlling women. To the aging, minority group of conservative men who are supposedly "against" prostitution, women are supposed to be private property, not public property.
- stcredzero 12y ago
  "Social stigma" that looks like, sounds like, and feels like social stigma passes the "duck test." It essentially is social stigma. It doesn't matter so much for the question of its existence who in particular it originates with. I've met way too many young people who have strong feelings against prostitution to think you are correct, however.
  - detcader 12y ago
    I think the URL is yourfallacyis dot com slash anecdotal? And maybe those young people were against prostitution because they believed it to be harmful to women as a class and involves extreme violence to individual women, whose stories you can find everywhere -- did you ask them? But yes, if we define "social stigma" so broadly that it includes legitimate concern for individuals and groups, there is also social stigma against pedophilia, I guess.
    - stcredzero 12y ago
      You're weirdly defining "social stigma" as only including stigma which is unjust? As used in common speech, there is indeed "social stigma" against pedophiles. The third time someone tries the trick of a contrarian and unconventional personal definition of a word to put words into someone's mouth to create a false impression of an unsavory position, it's time to simply break off the interaction.

anigbrowl 12y ago

If you're not trolling then you're painfully naive. I find it impossible to reconcile this with your other comment elsewhere in this subthread.

detcader 12y ago
What makes you say this? Did you read my comment to stcredzero below?
- anigbrowl 12y ago
  I did, and your comment referencing Gail Dines. It seems to me that you're way over-reliant on theory to the point that you're missing the forest for the trees. Try pretending to to people outside your social circle that you are engaged in prostitution, or dating a prostitute, or variations on that fictional theme.
  - detcader 12y ago
    The social attitute toward being a prostitute is another thing entirely. I was talking about "social stigma" against using prostitutes. In most contexts "outside of my social circle", "sex" itself is generally seen as humorous/inappropriate topic, for reasons that I don't think are due to sex being seen as shameful or worthy of stigma, although many claim that this is the case. So if I did what you suggest, there would be confounding variables, would there not? I think if my boss and I (he counts as outside my circle, no?) were both drunk in a bar, and I mentioned using a prostitute, his jaw would stay well off of the floor. I think this is true of most men, even the conservative Republicans ones who act otherwise in more "family" type situation. I will suggest that you try it, maybe I'm wrong.