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Correct. In the rush to smear mud on a potential presidential candidate, the media is overlooking why Clinton was probably using her own email address: was the

Correct. In the rush to smear mud on a potential presidential candidate, the media is overlooking why Clinton was probably using her own email address: was the State Department unable to provide her with a properly archived and secure email address? On it's face I find it hard to believe they don't have the ability to do that. But at the same time, considering the cost-cutting, outsourcing, and the political maneuverings of congress that treats the federal budget like the hapless patient in a game of Operation... I wouldn't be too surprised if they weren't.

protomyth 12y ago
My Interior remark stems from their multiple in contempt of court problems with keeping records. If Mrs. Clinton conducted official business on that server, she committed an illegal act. There is no "I knew better" defense. She failed to account for the correspondence as official.
A_COMPUTER 12y ago
So you figure the best explanation is it's Congress's fault that Clinton chose to use a private secret email for her entire tenure at the State department that would just happen to be immune to FOIA if nobody already knew of its existence?
- deong 12y ago
  It's hard to fathom they thought it wouldn't become public knowledge. I don't think anyone is that stupid. Far more likely, they just didn't think it was a big deal.
tedunangst 12y ago
Surely if the State Dept failed to provide her with an email account, she could have piggy backed on whatever service a different Secretary used? Maybe buddy up with the Secretary of Transportation and direct her email to their server. It didn't have to be her own server.
remarkEon 12y ago
I find it highly unlikely that the department of the federal government charged with corresponding with foreign nations and representing America abroad wouldn't have a satisfactory email system. That just seems dubious at best.
- fnordfnordfnord 12y ago
  Does "satisfactory" include able to be uploaded to Wikileaks by an Army Private?
  - remarkEon 12y ago
    Those are different issues entirely. Chelsea Manning essentially walked out of the SCIF with a bunch of disks - there wasn't any email hacking involved. Otherwise it's unclear what your point is.
- dmckeon 12y ago
  You may want to re-evaluate - this was widely reported last month: >The State Department is still reportedly trying to block hacker access to its unclassified e-mail system more than three months after the intruders were first detected. http://www.enterprise-security-today.com/story.xhtml?story_id=1130009IV2CQ http://www.enterprise-security-today.com/story.xhtml?story_i... Yes, "unclassified", but, really? Three months? Really??
  - remarkEon 12y ago
    Yeah that's definitely in excusable. But what makes me even more curious is the care the author took to explain that it was only the unclassified system. So what about the classified network? SIPR? CENTRIXS? Are we to assume that HRC didn't send/receive any classified email? That just seems odd. So I'm starting to think that a) she did, in fact, have a government email to handle the classified material and b) chose to have her unclassified email off the network for other reasons that remain to be disclosed. Edit: I suppose there are other options. She could have used a staffer's email to send messages on the classified networks.
caseysoftware 12y ago
I worked at the Department of Justice in 2003. We had properly archived and (reasonably) secure email systems then. I'm not sure how/why the State Department would be any different.

protomyth 12y ago

My Interior remark stems from their multiple in contempt of court problems with keeping records. If Mrs. Clinton conducted official business on that server, she committed an illegal act. There is no "I knew better" defense. She failed to account for the correspondence as official.

A_COMPUTER 12y ago

So you figure the best explanation is it's Congress's fault that Clinton chose to use a private secret email for her entire tenure at the State department that would just happen to be immune to FOIA if nobody already knew of its existence?

deong 12y ago
It's hard to fathom they thought it wouldn't become public knowledge. I don't think anyone is that stupid. Far more likely, they just didn't think it was a big deal.

tedunangst 12y ago

Surely if the State Dept failed to provide her with an email account, she could have piggy backed on whatever service a different Secretary used? Maybe buddy up with the Secretary of Transportation and direct her email to their server. It didn't have to be her own server.

remarkEon 12y ago

I find it highly unlikely that the department of the federal government charged with corresponding with foreign nations and representing America abroad wouldn't have a satisfactory email system. That just seems dubious at best.

fnordfnordfnord 12y ago
Does "satisfactory" include able to be uploaded to Wikileaks by an Army Private?
- remarkEon 12y ago
  Those are different issues entirely. Chelsea Manning essentially walked out of the SCIF with a bunch of disks - there wasn't any email hacking involved. Otherwise it's unclear what your point is.
dmckeon 12y ago
You may want to re-evaluate - this was widely reported last month: >The State Department is still reportedly trying to block hacker access to its unclassified e-mail system more than three months after the intruders were first detected. http://www.enterprise-security-today.com/story.xhtml?story_id=1130009IV2CQ http://www.enterprise-security-today.com/story.xhtml?story_i... Yes, "unclassified", but, really? Three months? Really??
- remarkEon 12y ago
  Yeah that's definitely in excusable. But what makes me even more curious is the care the author took to explain that it was only the unclassified system. So what about the classified network? SIPR? CENTRIXS? Are we to assume that HRC didn't send/receive any classified email? That just seems odd. So I'm starting to think that a) she did, in fact, have a government email to handle the classified material and b) chose to have her unclassified email off the network for other reasons that remain to be disclosed. Edit: I suppose there are other options. She could have used a staffer's email to send messages on the classified networks.

caseysoftware 12y ago

I worked at the Department of Justice in 2003. We had properly archived and (reasonably) secure email systems then. I'm not sure how/why the State Department would be any different.