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Hmm. Mechanical engineer without a dishwasher here. I might take a crack at this. What about your dishwasher doesn't work for you?

by j_d_s 12y ago

porker 12y ago
Not the original poster, but my dishwasher doesn't work well with Denby crockery (popular with the English middle-classes): The bowls are too deep, so if you fill a rack it washes inside the first and last only. The plates are too wide to fit in the rack, so the middle spinny-sprayer can't spin. The other part of handwashing you could improve: drying racks. Why can't I have a multi-level one so I can fit 2-3x as much on the draining board? I dislike teatowels as unhygenic, but can never air-dry enough stuff.
IgorPartola 12y ago
Three things. First, it's too small so it doesn't fit all the dishes from one day. It also doesn't fit big pots and pans. Second, it doesn't scrub. Dishwashers spray and swish soapy water, but don't physically touch the dishes (since they'd break them). The consequence of this is that you have to pre-rinse everything by hand with a sponge or risk dried on food residue which is nearly impossible to remove after it's been through the high temp trying cycle. Oatmeal stuck to a bowl will not come off in the dishwasher. Neither will steak or ground beef off a frying pan (even a teflon coated one). Third, it takes too long. My dishwasher task 90-120 minutes depending on settings I choose. Now, there are commercial dishwashers that do a load in 30-90 seconds (15 minutes to load/unload). But they cost about $4k used, and I don't know if they have the problem with having to pre-rinse. The solution I picture is basically a power drill with a circular sponge on the end, but smaller and waterproof. Additionally, something like the car wash mat cleaning machine could be used for flat plates: http://www.youtoo-carcare.com/media/images/category/reinigung.jpeg http://www.youtoo-carcare.com/media/images/category/reinigun.... An equivalent of a hair dryer could be used to dry them right away. Or this could be an enclosed rack with hot air blowers built in. Throw the dishes in there, press a button, 30 seconds later, it's dry. With tools like these, I could do the hand-wash which is more labor intensive but much quicker than 90 minutes. I figure I could spend about 15-20 minutes on dishes and have them put away right away.
- smeyer 12y ago
  I think you could fix many of these problems with a better dish washer. A big enough dishwasher should fit whatever you like, and while I grew up rinsing dishes before washing them, my current dishwasher has no problem washing away caked-on residues and such. I only wash things by hand if I need them quickly or they're not dishwasher-safe materials.
  - IgorPartola 12y ago
    Probably. A commercial dishwasher able to do a load in 90 seconds would probably do wonders for me. Then I don't even mind it being too small: I can just reload it and run it again. Problem is, these are expensive and are energy hogs. A direct dirt removal power sponge type thing would be much more efficient.
    - bbcbasic 12y ago
      We have commercial dishwashers in the kitchen where I work (a software company) and they are pretty awesome. I rinse the disk before putting it in but don't try too hard to get every last flake of food off. Run time is 3 or 6 minutes on these ones.
    - smeyer 12y ago
      I guess I just don't have the same experience with food removal. I'm the sort of lazy guy who loads in dishes with days-old food residue caked on, and my dishwasher has no trouble getting it all of and such, even in the pretty egregiously residued cases. I agree that a power sponge would still be cool.
  - mod 12y ago
    I'm not disagreeing, however I've never been satisfied with any dishwasher I've used, which is a wide range of very old to pretty new. I have no idea about quality, etc. I do NOT like food residue on my washed dishes, and it's always a problem. I wash dishes by hand, and I actually enjoy it (and I'd have no use for a drill-scrubber like GP--I'm not sure what its advantage is, even).

Hmm. Mechanical engineer without a dishwasher here. I might take a crack at this. What about your dishwasher doesn't work for you?

by j_d_s 12y ago

Hmm. Mechanical engineer without a dishwasher here. I might take a crack at this. What about your dishwasher doesn't work for you?

porker 12y ago

Not the original poster, but my dishwasher doesn't work well with Denby crockery (popular with the English middle-classes): The bowls are too deep, so if you fill a rack it washes inside the first and last only. The plates are too wide to fit in the rack, so the middle spinny-sprayer can't spin. The other part of handwashing you could improve: drying racks. Why can't I have a multi-level one so I can fit 2-3x as much on the draining board? I dislike teatowels as unhygenic, but can never air-dry enough stuff.

IgorPartola 12y ago

Three things. First, it's too small so it doesn't fit all the dishes from one day. It also doesn't fit big pots and pans. Second, it doesn't scrub. Dishwashers spray and swish soapy water, but don't physically touch the dishes (since they'd break them). The consequence of this is that you have to pre-rinse everything by hand with a sponge or risk dried on food residue which is nearly impossible to remove after it's been through the high temp trying cycle. Oatmeal stuck to a bowl will not come off in the dishwasher. Neither will steak or ground beef off a frying pan (even a teflon coated one). Third, it takes too long. My dishwasher task 90-120 minutes depending on settings I choose. Now, there are commercial dishwashers that do a load in 30-90 seconds (15 minutes to load/unload). But they cost about $4k used, and I don't know if they have the problem with having to pre-rinse. The solution I picture is basically a power drill with a circular sponge on the end, but smaller and waterproof. Additionally, something like the car wash mat cleaning machine could be used for flat plates: http://www.youtoo-carcare.com/media/images/category/reinigung.jpeg http://www.youtoo-carcare.com/media/images/category/reinigun.... An equivalent of a hair dryer could be used to dry them right away. Or this could be an enclosed rack with hot air blowers built in. Throw the dishes in there, press a button, 30 seconds later, it's dry. With tools like these, I could do the hand-wash which is more labor intensive but much quicker than 90 minutes. I figure I could spend about 15-20 minutes on dishes and have them put away right away.

smeyer 12y ago
I think you could fix many of these problems with a better dish washer. A big enough dishwasher should fit whatever you like, and while I grew up rinsing dishes before washing them, my current dishwasher has no problem washing away caked-on residues and such. I only wash things by hand if I need them quickly or they're not dishwasher-safe materials.
- IgorPartola 12y ago
  Probably. A commercial dishwasher able to do a load in 90 seconds would probably do wonders for me. Then I don't even mind it being too small: I can just reload it and run it again. Problem is, these are expensive and are energy hogs. A direct dirt removal power sponge type thing would be much more efficient.
  - bbcbasic 12y ago
    We have commercial dishwashers in the kitchen where I work (a software company) and they are pretty awesome. I rinse the disk before putting it in but don't try too hard to get every last flake of food off. Run time is 3 or 6 minutes on these ones.
  - smeyer 12y ago
    I guess I just don't have the same experience with food removal. I'm the sort of lazy guy who loads in dishes with days-old food residue caked on, and my dishwasher has no trouble getting it all of and such, even in the pretty egregiously residued cases. I agree that a power sponge would still be cool.
- mod 12y ago
  I'm not disagreeing, however I've never been satisfied with any dishwasher I've used, which is a wide range of very old to pretty new. I have no idea about quality, etc. I do NOT like food residue on my washed dishes, and it's always a problem. I wash dishes by hand, and I actually enjoy it (and I'd have no use for a drill-scrubber like GP--I'm not sure what its advantage is, even).