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He probably stands a better shot of a deal with Obama, rather than whichever administration comes next. I think Hilary had a lot of egg on her face with the lea

He probably stands a better shot of a deal with Obama, rather than whichever administration comes next. I think Hilary had a lot of egg on her face with the leaks (though using public email is her own fault!) and the Republicans would crucify him. I think it's now or never for him.

fixxer 12y ago
obama has used the espionage act more than any other president.
- taylorwc 12y ago
  Really? Source?
  - fixxer 12y ago
    google it; there are many http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/jan/10/jake-tapper/cnns-tapper-obama-has-used-espionage-act-more-all-/ http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/jan/10/...
  - grey-area 12y ago
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/06/obama-abuse-espionage-act-mccarthyism http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/06/obama-a... https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/02/18/destroyed-by-the-espionage-act/ https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/02/18/destroyed-by-t... http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/jan/10/jake-tapper/cnns-tapper-obama-has-used-espionage-act-more-all-/ http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/jan/10/...
  - fargolime 12y ago
    To get sources, I highlighted the sentence, right-clicked and chose Search Google for...
    - taylorwc 12y ago
      Is it wrong to ask someone that makes an assertion to provide a source or evidence? I don't think I asked in an offensive way.
      - zorpner 12y ago
        As a component of discourse, asking for a source during an online discussion implies that such a source is not trivial to find, and thus calls into question the assertion for which a source is being asked for. Prepending your inquiry with "Really?" also contributed to that note of incredulity. Particularly in a case where a source or citation is extremely easy to find, asking for one comes off as less of an honest inquiry and more of a rhetorical device designed to discredit the person making the assertion, regardless of intent.
        aros 12y ago
        Don't make claims unless you're prepared to provide the source. It's not anyone's responsibility but your own should you put forth said claim.
      - mikeash 12y ago
        It can disrupt conversation to ask for a source when you could find it yourself in less time than it takes to ask. This is especially true when phrased in a curt manner that implies you already doubt the claim.
      - shit_parade 12y ago
        I think a modicum of effort instead of wasting everyone's time with what is a well known fact would be polite.
    - fargolime 12y ago
      Thanks downvoters! One of the sources listed above is the first link Google showed. It really does work.
      - 12y ago
  - RexRollman 12y ago
    Obama is surprisingly distrubing in some regards.
- mathattack 12y ago
  Obama is no saint, but I suspect he's better than the alternatives.
  - deleted 12y ago
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  - rayiner 12y ago
    I don't know if that's the case. I think he's really internalized how people trust Republicans more with foreign policy, and acts extra-aggressively to avoid perceptions of being weak.
  - shit_parade 12y ago
    No president would be a better alternative than a man who indiscriminately bombs foreign countries, refuses to count civilian deaths, orders hits on US citizens, refuses to prosecute torture but prattles on about fighting extremism while his home town of Chicago has its own home grown black site. So yeah, he's worse than nobody, he's worse than if my dead grandmother were president.
    - mathattack 12y ago
      You really think Reagan, McCain or either of the Bush presidents would have been more lenient on him than Obama? (I'm not being pro-Obama, just realistic)
      - shit_parade 12y ago
        McCain would of at least prosecuted torture, but it seems rather academic to argue which warmonger is the nicest warmonger.
        mathattack 12y ago
        I agree re: McCain on torture. Can you name one political candidate with a chance of being elected that would reasonably go easier on him than Obama?
- anigbrowl 12y ago
  And a sizable demographic still thinks he's some sort of Muslim commie traitor despite his hawkish approach to security. If his attitude to leaking of classified information was as relaxed as some people wish, he'd have been impeached by now. I predicted some time ago that Snowden would eventually come back, be imprisoned, and pardoned by Obama on leaving office, possible along with Chelsea (nee Bradley) Manning. I stand by that prediction.
  - woah 12y ago
    His attitude to leaking information has been far more draconian than any previous president.
  - fnordfnordfnord 12y ago
    I hope you're right, but I am not holding my breath. I just can't see any of that happening.
argumentum 12y ago
He has an even better chance with Rand Paul. Though that chance times the chance of a President Paul is probably lower than what he could get w/Obama.

fixxer 12y ago

obama has used the espionage act more than any other president.

taylorwc 12y ago
Really? Source?
- fixxer 12y ago
  google it; there are many http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/jan/10/jake-tapper/cnns-tapper-obama-has-used-espionage-act-more-all-/ http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/jan/10/...
- grey-area 12y ago
  http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/06/obama-abuse-espionage-act-mccarthyism http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/06/obama-a... https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/02/18/destroyed-by-the-espionage-act/ https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/02/18/destroyed-by-t... http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/jan/10/jake-tapper/cnns-tapper-obama-has-used-espionage-act-more-all-/ http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/jan/10/...
- fargolime 12y ago
  To get sources, I highlighted the sentence, right-clicked and chose Search Google for...
  - taylorwc 12y ago
    Is it wrong to ask someone that makes an assertion to provide a source or evidence? I don't think I asked in an offensive way.
    - zorpner 12y ago
      As a component of discourse, asking for a source during an online discussion implies that such a source is not trivial to find, and thus calls into question the assertion for which a source is being asked for. Prepending your inquiry with "Really?" also contributed to that note of incredulity. Particularly in a case where a source or citation is extremely easy to find, asking for one comes off as less of an honest inquiry and more of a rhetorical device designed to discredit the person making the assertion, regardless of intent.
      - aros 12y ago
        Don't make claims unless you're prepared to provide the source. It's not anyone's responsibility but your own should you put forth said claim.
    - mikeash 12y ago
      It can disrupt conversation to ask for a source when you could find it yourself in less time than it takes to ask. This is especially true when phrased in a curt manner that implies you already doubt the claim.
    - shit_parade 12y ago
      I think a modicum of effort instead of wasting everyone's time with what is a well known fact would be polite.
  - fargolime 12y ago
    Thanks downvoters! One of the sources listed above is the first link Google showed. It really does work.
    - 12y ago
- RexRollman 12y ago
  Obama is surprisingly distrubing in some regards.
mathattack 12y ago
Obama is no saint, but I suspect he's better than the alternatives.
- deleted 12y ago
  [deleted]
- rayiner 12y ago
  I don't know if that's the case. I think he's really internalized how people trust Republicans more with foreign policy, and acts extra-aggressively to avoid perceptions of being weak.
- shit_parade 12y ago
  No president would be a better alternative than a man who indiscriminately bombs foreign countries, refuses to count civilian deaths, orders hits on US citizens, refuses to prosecute torture but prattles on about fighting extremism while his home town of Chicago has its own home grown black site. So yeah, he's worse than nobody, he's worse than if my dead grandmother were president.
  - mathattack 12y ago
    You really think Reagan, McCain or either of the Bush presidents would have been more lenient on him than Obama? (I'm not being pro-Obama, just realistic)
    - shit_parade 12y ago
      McCain would of at least prosecuted torture, but it seems rather academic to argue which warmonger is the nicest warmonger.
      - mathattack 12y ago
        I agree re: McCain on torture. Can you name one political candidate with a chance of being elected that would reasonably go easier on him than Obama?
anigbrowl 12y ago
And a sizable demographic still thinks he's some sort of Muslim commie traitor despite his hawkish approach to security. If his attitude to leaking of classified information was as relaxed as some people wish, he'd have been impeached by now. I predicted some time ago that Snowden would eventually come back, be imprisoned, and pardoned by Obama on leaving office, possible along with Chelsea (nee Bradley) Manning. I stand by that prediction.
- woah 12y ago
  His attitude to leaking information has been far more draconian than any previous president.
- fnordfnordfnord 12y ago
  I hope you're right, but I am not holding my breath. I just can't see any of that happening.

argumentum 12y ago

He has an even better chance with Rand Paul. Though that chance times the chance of a President Paul is probably lower than what he could get w/Obama.