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Partial measures do matter; in fact, currently most of the advances are coming from the US. And research can be regulated. Probably noone will catch an independ

by jkramar 12y ago

Partial measures do matter; in fact, currently most of the advances are coming from the US. And research can be regulated. Probably noone will catch an independent researcher working alone and not releasing anything, but progress tends to come from teams of experts who have come through elite labs/universities. Furthermore having significant data&hardware seems to be helpful for making progress. It doesn't require mass surveillance for something like this to work. I'm not saying there are clear positive next steps, just that blanket dismissals on the basis that perfect enforcement won't be reached are silly. We shouldn't actually trust that positive effects of every technology outweigh negative ones; that seems obviously wrong (think about weapons tech for example).

vonnik 12y ago
Many of the advances we know of are coming from outside the US. Notably teams at the Universities of Toronto and Montreal, DeepMind in the UK, and Juergen Schmidhuber's group in Switzerland. Geoff Hinton is British, Yann LeCun is French, Andrew Ng was born in the UK to Hong Kong parents and graduated in Singapore, Quoc Le is Vietnamese. Machine intelligence research is very international. When you consider all the data being processed in the world in different ways, and all the optimization algorithms being run on public and private clouds and various in-house data centers, I think you will appreciate how difficult it is to even detect advances in machine intelligence.
- vkrakovna 12y ago
  Fair point, though most of the advances are still coming from the Western countries, which can agree on a regulation more easily than the world as a whole.
  - vonnik 12y ago
    The advances are happening in Western countries, for now. Members of the top teams come from all over the world. It would be very easy for them to relocate.
    - jkramar 12y ago
      You're right - regulation without any support from the AI/ML community would be less effective.
  - sanxiyn 12y ago
    Baidu is doing top quality work, and I think researchers moving to Baidu is a realistic concern.

by jkramar 12y ago

vonnik 12y ago

Many of the advances we know of are coming from outside the US. Notably teams at the Universities of Toronto and Montreal, DeepMind in the UK, and Juergen Schmidhuber's group in Switzerland. Geoff Hinton is British, Yann LeCun is French, Andrew Ng was born in the UK to Hong Kong parents and graduated in Singapore, Quoc Le is Vietnamese. Machine intelligence research is very international. When you consider all the data being processed in the world in different ways, and all the optimization algorithms being run on public and private clouds and various in-house data centers, I think you will appreciate how difficult it is to even detect advances in machine intelligence.

vkrakovna 12y ago
Fair point, though most of the advances are still coming from the Western countries, which can agree on a regulation more easily than the world as a whole.
- vonnik 12y ago
  The advances are happening in Western countries, for now. Members of the top teams come from all over the world. It would be very easy for them to relocate.
  - jkramar 12y ago
    You're right - regulation without any support from the AI/ML community would be less effective.
- sanxiyn 12y ago
  Baidu is doing top quality work, and I think researchers moving to Baidu is a realistic concern.