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This is a terrible, inaccurate article to link. Google Talk is going away, so is irrelevant. Google has a big banner on pages about it that it is going away. I

by lnanek2 12y ago

This is a terrible, inaccurate article to link. Google Talk is going away, so is irrelevant. Google has a big banner on pages about it that it is going away. I don't even understand why the article talks about it so much and mentions it can still be used inter-server without SSL. That's just silly and clouding the issue. Google Talk is irrelevant to anyone now. Google Hangouts will only show Google+ people as someone you can message. Period. There are some vague little interop features left. You can login direct to Google servers and chat with a third party client, yes. Google has officially said they will no longer support federation - so other companies Jabber servers and user accounts will not work with Hangout users. So of the two huge user side things everyone is talking about: choose non-Google clients and login directly to Google still has some support, choose non-Google account is going the way of the dodo very much so. The article, I guess, only really cares about XMPP like caring about "do developers still use Java". The point it makes isn't really the end user sort of thing people are talking about. Google could still use XMPP internally and the article would be screaming yes, but it could be irrelevant to users if there's no interop anyway.

shmerl 12y ago
> This is a terrible, inaccurate article to link. Google Talk is going away, so is irrelevant. It's a valid article to link. Google Talk (federated based on open standards) is not going away - it's already gone (at least federation part). Hangouts is a closed non interoperable service, not based on open standards. Clear degradation for Google. However this article isn't saying anything new. Google degraded to that a while ago and I doubt there is any point in trying to convince them otherwise. They chose their degrading direction with a lame excuse from Eric Schmidt which sounded like "everyone else does it". > Google Talk is irrelevant to anyone now. That's bunk. I had many contacts (more than a half actually) who are Google users and with whom I could communicate before. When server to server encryption became mandatory on most XMPP servers, those contacts were simply cut off. Gone. And don't say it's irrelevant - it would be a royal pain asking all those people to register on another XMPP server, and I'm not interested in using Google one. So I simply had to stop communicating with them over IM. Do I need to say what I think about Google regarding it?
- luxpir 12y ago
  > When server to server encryption became mandatory on most XMPP servers, those contacts were simply cut off. Gone. Same situation here. Would love to keep using the DDG XMPP servers for all IM. Sadly only 2 (two) contacts remain since the TLS clampdown last year. The account is still enabled in Pidgin/Finch (in tmux on rpi), hoping for some reversal in XMPP's fortunes! Feel free to add me as a contact there: [this username]@dukgo.com
redthrow 12y ago
> Google Hangouts will only show Google+ people as someone you can message. With Hangouts, you can message anyone with a Gmail address I think. Using Google+ is not a requirement now.

by lnanek2 12y ago

shmerl 12y ago

> This is a terrible, inaccurate article to link. Google Talk is going away, so is irrelevant. It's a valid article to link. Google Talk (federated based on open standards) is not going away - it's already gone (at least federation part). Hangouts is a closed non interoperable service, not based on open standards. Clear degradation for Google. However this article isn't saying anything new. Google degraded to that a while ago and I doubt there is any point in trying to convince them otherwise. They chose their degrading direction with a lame excuse from Eric Schmidt which sounded like "everyone else does it". > Google Talk is irrelevant to anyone now. That's bunk. I had many contacts (more than a half actually) who are Google users and with whom I could communicate before. When server to server encryption became mandatory on most XMPP servers, those contacts were simply cut off. Gone. And don't say it's irrelevant - it would be a royal pain asking all those people to register on another XMPP server, and I'm not interested in using Google one. So I simply had to stop communicating with them over IM. Do I need to say what I think about Google regarding it?

luxpir 12y ago
> When server to server encryption became mandatory on most XMPP servers, those contacts were simply cut off. Gone. Same situation here. Would love to keep using the DDG XMPP servers for all IM. Sadly only 2 (two) contacts remain since the TLS clampdown last year. The account is still enabled in Pidgin/Finch (in tmux on rpi), hoping for some reversal in XMPP's fortunes! Feel free to add me as a contact there: [this username]@dukgo.com

redthrow 12y ago

> Google Hangouts will only show Google+ people as someone you can message. With Hangouts, you can message anyone with a Gmail address I think. Using Google+ is not a requirement now.