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If something like that bothers you that much, you can do what I do and route your web traffic through a cheap VPS. I don't really do it because I'm super paran

If something like that bothers you that much, you can do what I do and route your web traffic through a cheap VPS. I don't really do it because I'm super paranoid or because I'm attempting to hide illicit activity. I just don't believe it is any of my ISP's business what web sites I visit should they decide to derive additional "value" (for them) by data mining. If and when they want to offer to pay me in the form of a substantial service price discount for access to my web history I might reconsider but there is no way I'm giving them that information for free.

mindslight 12y ago
> and when they want to offer to pay me in the form of a substantial service price discount for access to my web history I might reconsider Why? It's not like they actually know whether your 80/443 traffic is real browsing or just chaff. One's best bet is to let them datamine the hell out of you for a discount (since they, NSA, and everyone in between is going to do any anyway), and then spend some of that savings on a VPN provider to route your insecure protocols over (as you're already doing, which is why I'm making this point). I'm looking forward to services that charge less to inspect traffic harder, because I'm hoping it'll making your average person realize that their privacy is worth more than eg $30/mo, and that it can be better protected for $5/mo to a third party. Discounts for traffic inspection is a nice tip of the iceberg for us - some practice upfront totalitarianism that will hopefully inspire development, testing, and adoption of protocols that are truly opaque to the network.
- alyandon 12y ago
  Unfortunately, your average non-technical person probably won't understand the privacy implications of an ISP offering a service discount in exchange for the ability to provide them with "relevant" and/or "targeted" advertising (typical weasel words used to avoid plainly stating your ISP is spying on you).
  - mindslight 12y ago
    I think there's a better chance to realize they're giving something up if they're saving money by doing so. Then again maybe I'm just being too optimistic on this point (hey, I need at least one).

mindslight 12y ago

> and when they want to offer to pay me in the form of a substantial service price discount for access to my web history I might reconsider Why? It's not like they actually know whether your 80/443 traffic is real browsing or just chaff. One's best bet is to let them datamine the hell out of you for a discount (since they, NSA, and everyone in between is going to do any anyway), and then spend some of that savings on a VPN provider to route your insecure protocols over (as you're already doing, which is why I'm making this point). I'm looking forward to services that charge less to inspect traffic harder, because I'm hoping it'll making your average person realize that their privacy is worth more than eg $30/mo, and that it can be better protected for $5/mo to a third party. Discounts for traffic inspection is a nice tip of the iceberg for us - some practice upfront totalitarianism that will hopefully inspire development, testing, and adoption of protocols that are truly opaque to the network.

alyandon 12y ago
Unfortunately, your average non-technical person probably won't understand the privacy implications of an ISP offering a service discount in exchange for the ability to provide them with "relevant" and/or "targeted" advertising (typical weasel words used to avoid plainly stating your ISP is spying on you).
- mindslight 12y ago
  I think there's a better chance to realize they're giving something up if they're saving money by doing so. Then again maybe I'm just being too optimistic on this point (hey, I need at least one).