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Great Project!! The user experience on the page is quite nice--a bit like Trello crossed with GitHub; turning traditionally static wiki content into interactive

by neovive 12y ago

Great Project!! The user experience on the page is quite nice--a bit like Trello crossed with GitHub; turning traditionally static wiki content into interactive content. On a related note, I'm curious to hear what others think about the trend of sending data over-the-wire and rendering HTML on the client. I just started working with Meteor, coming from a traditional web development background, and I see major benefits regarding multi-device rendering and real-time updates. However, I'm still on the fence regarding this paradigm and continue building new projects with traditional server-side rendering and DOM manipulation. Playing with federated wiki is very convincing that data over-the-wire is the future.

slasaus 12y ago
for Single Page Apps it definitely is. Though I wonder if every website will end up as some sort of (single page) app.
wtbob 12y ago
> The user experience on the page is quite nice I wonder if we used the same page. I just got a welcome page. When I input 'patterns' into the search box and hit return, nothing happened. When I clicked on 'Recent Changes' I see a gray bar reading 'activity,' with no contents. It appears to be a broken test site to me. > On a related note, I'm curious to hear what others think about the trend of sending data over-the-wire and rendering HTML on the client. I think it's evil, given that it requires me to allow code execution in order to read content.
- edwintorok 12y ago
  Try http://c2.fed.wiki.org/view/welcome-visitors/view/topic-based-subsets http://c2.fed.wiki.org/view/welcome-visitors/view/topic-base... It can take a while for the individual pages to load [1], some progress notification would be nice. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8989943 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8989943
  - wtbob 12y ago
    > Try http://c2.fed.wiki.org/view/welcome-visitors/view/topic-based-subsets http://c2.fed.wiki.org/view/welcome-visitors/view/topic-base... Nope, that just results in a vertically-divided blank white page, with the non-functional dark-grey bar below. It remains blank after minutes. (This is probably because the wiki doesn't work without JavaScript, making it useless to anyone use lynx, links, elinks, emacs-w3m or NoScript, which is to say anyone concerned with security)
    - edwintorok 12y ago
      Indeed, doesn't work without Javascript.
      - TeMPOraL 12y ago
        Welcome to the future. Seriously though, C2 people were the last I'd expect to move toward JavaScript-powered thingies apps, especially when it's uncalled for.
Spoom 12y ago
I'm curious to hear what others think about the trend of sending data over-the-wire and rendering HTML on the client. Twitter did this for a while. They still do, but they switched back from a 100% API-driven model to a serverside first render, subsequent API-driven model. That allows them to render the page as quickly as possible (you don't have to wait for the DOM to be ready) while still allowing later partial renders.

by neovive 12y ago

slasaus 12y ago

for Single Page Apps it definitely is. Though I wonder if every website will end up as some sort of (single page) app.

wtbob 12y ago

> The user experience on the page is quite nice I wonder if we used the same page. I just got a welcome page. When I input 'patterns' into the search box and hit return, nothing happened. When I clicked on 'Recent Changes' I see a gray bar reading 'activity,' with no contents. It appears to be a broken test site to me. > On a related note, I'm curious to hear what others think about the trend of sending data over-the-wire and rendering HTML on the client. I think it's evil, given that it requires me to allow code execution in order to read content.

edwintorok 12y ago
Try http://c2.fed.wiki.org/view/welcome-visitors/view/topic-based-subsets http://c2.fed.wiki.org/view/welcome-visitors/view/topic-base... It can take a while for the individual pages to load [1], some progress notification would be nice. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8989943 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8989943
- wtbob 12y ago
  > Try http://c2.fed.wiki.org/view/welcome-visitors/view/topic-based-subsets http://c2.fed.wiki.org/view/welcome-visitors/view/topic-base... Nope, that just results in a vertically-divided blank white page, with the non-functional dark-grey bar below. It remains blank after minutes. (This is probably because the wiki doesn't work without JavaScript, making it useless to anyone use lynx, links, elinks, emacs-w3m or NoScript, which is to say anyone concerned with security)
  - edwintorok 12y ago
    Indeed, doesn't work without Javascript.
    - TeMPOraL 12y ago
      Welcome to the future. Seriously though, C2 people were the last I'd expect to move toward JavaScript-powered thingies apps, especially when it's uncalled for.

Spoom 12y ago

I'm curious to hear what others think about the trend of sending data over-the-wire and rendering HTML on the client. Twitter did this for a while. They still do, but they switched back from a 100% API-driven model to a serverside first render, subsequent API-driven model. That allows them to render the page as quickly as possible (you don't have to wait for the DOM to be ready) while still allowing later partial renders.