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I'm curious what your evidence is that "universities have formal policies" discriminating against Asian Americans. Because you realize, I hope, that the study b

I'm curious what your evidence is that "universities have formal policies" discriminating against Asian Americans. Because you realize, I hope, that the study being cited only made inferences about "bonus points" on the assumption that SAT score is the only worthwhile factor to be considered in admissions decisions. There is no evidence that I see that Asian Americans are being discriminated against by policy due to their race.

patio11 12y ago
I'm going to treat this objection in good faith. Quoting from their most-recent-of-several amici briefs on the matter: Brown University, University of Chicago, Columbia University, Cornell University, Dartmouth College, Duke University, Harvard University, Johns Hopkins University, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, University of Pennsylvania, Princeton University, Stanford University, Vanderbilt University, and Yale University submit this brief as amici curiae in support of respondents. [[Amici have long used admissions policies similar to the Harvard Plan that Justice Powell approved in Regents of University of California v. Bakke]], 438 U.S. 265 (1978), and the University of Michigan Law School plan this Court upheld in Grutter v. Bollinger, 539 U.S. 306 (2003). [[Amici accordingly have substantial experience with admissions policies that consider all aspects of an applicant’s background and experience, including in some circumstances the applicant’s racial or ethnic background.]] They go on: [[Amici accordingly urge the Court]] to interpret the Constitution, consistent with Bakke and Grutter, to continue to [[allow educational institutions to structure admissions programs that take account of race and ethnicity]] as single factors within a highly individualized, holistic review process. I have taken the liberty of using [[double brackets] to direct your attention to the really salient bits. There's the whose-who of American universities saying, in pretty clear language, to the Supreme Court, that they would find it very inconvenient if the Supreme Court were to illegalize their racial discrimination programs. Are you still unconvinced that American universities operate racial discrimination programs? If your objection is the more narrow "I agree that American universities often operate racial discrimination programs, but disagree that those racial discrimination programs disfavor Asians", I'd be more than happy to find you citations of of which groups particular formal racial discrimination policies discriminate in favor of. This will, inevitably, fail to find Asians on that list. If you disagree with me on this prediction, please name three representative universities and I'll happily do the legwork on finding their written statement of which races are favored by their formal racial discrimination programs.

patio11 12y ago

I'm going to treat this objection in good faith. Quoting from their most-recent-of-several amici briefs on the matter: Brown University, University of Chicago, Columbia University, Cornell University, Dartmouth College, Duke University, Harvard University, Johns Hopkins University, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, University of Pennsylvania, Princeton University, Stanford University, Vanderbilt University, and Yale University submit this brief as amici curiae in support of respondents. [[Amici have long used admissions policies similar to the Harvard Plan that Justice Powell approved in Regents of University of California v. Bakke]], 438 U.S. 265 (1978), and the University of Michigan Law School plan this Court upheld in Grutter v. Bollinger, 539 U.S. 306 (2003). [[Amici accordingly have substantial experience with admissions policies that consider all aspects of an applicant’s background and experience, including in some circumstances the applicant’s racial or ethnic background.]] They go on: [[Amici accordingly urge the Court]] to interpret the Constitution, consistent with Bakke and Grutter, to continue to [[allow educational institutions to structure admissions programs that take account of race and ethnicity]] as single factors within a highly individualized, holistic review process. I have taken the liberty of using [[double brackets] to direct your attention to the really salient bits. There's the whose-who of American universities saying, in pretty clear language, to the Supreme Court, that they would find it very inconvenient if the Supreme Court were to illegalize their racial discrimination programs. Are you still unconvinced that American universities operate racial discrimination programs? If your objection is the more narrow "I agree that American universities often operate racial discrimination programs, but disagree that those racial discrimination programs disfavor Asians", I'd be more than happy to find you citations of of which groups particular formal racial discrimination policies discriminate in favor of. This will, inevitably, fail to find Asians on that list. If you disagree with me on this prediction, please name three representative universities and I'll happily do the legwork on finding their written statement of which races are favored by their formal racial discrimination programs.