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>all people from all ethnicities are equal All people from all ethnicities are equal in the sense that they deserve an equal oppertunity to succeed. However, t

>all people from all ethnicities are equal All people from all ethnicities are equal in the sense that they deserve an equal oppertunity to succeed. However, that has not happened. Certain ethnic groups (black people) have been systematically disadvantaged. They continue to be under-represented in higher education and over-represented in the prison system. Affirmative action does a good job at getting black people into college, which generally helps a person later in life when they want to get a good job.

pokpokpok 12y ago
AND helps their children and grandchildren do well for themselves, breaking a socioeconomic cycle
gambiting 12y ago
It's not black people who are disadvantaged - but people coming from poor, ghetto communities who are. The fact that they are black is secondary. Like I've said, I would be completely ok with them being given extra points due to coming from a very poor/criminal families. No problem here. But a simple system "black? extra points. Asian? negative points" is nothing but racist. Is a black person from a rich family getting extra points? If yes, why? Is an Asian person from a poor family still getting negative points? If yes, again - why? It literally doesn't make any sense.
- intopieces 12y ago
  You're now shifting the conversation from the broad admissions policy to specific admission merits of individuals. The policy of promoting the admission of black students as a whole has been successful. It's not racism when a minority/disadvantaged group is given a leg up on a group that already has an advantage. The effect is so minimal that it really isn't worth discussing.
  - gambiting 12y ago
    How has it been successful? Some people got admitted to university on the basis of their skin color, while some other people got rejected based on their skin color. How is this a success?
    - intopieces 12y ago
      Skin color is not the only factor of admissions, so your reduction of the situation to being one is not appropriate. It is a success in that people who might have previously been unable to attend college are admitted to college, and given scholarships for needy/minority students. We need not worry about the fate of middle class white people like me.
- mattmurdog 12y ago
  Asians from poor neighborhoods still are because they're Asian. And if they are male, then they are even more discriminated against than Asian women who are both "female" and "Asian". Basically Asian in general regardless if you're from overseas or from NY, you're getting shafted. And if you're male... good luck, you better have a 5.0 GPA and be the captain of the football team to get in any where.

pokpokpok 12y ago

AND helps their children and grandchildren do well for themselves, breaking a socioeconomic cycle

gambiting 12y ago

It's not black people who are disadvantaged - but people coming from poor, ghetto communities who are. The fact that they are black is secondary. Like I've said, I would be completely ok with them being given extra points due to coming from a very poor/criminal families. No problem here. But a simple system "black? extra points. Asian? negative points" is nothing but racist. Is a black person from a rich family getting extra points? If yes, why? Is an Asian person from a poor family still getting negative points? If yes, again - why? It literally doesn't make any sense.

intopieces 12y ago
You're now shifting the conversation from the broad admissions policy to specific admission merits of individuals. The policy of promoting the admission of black students as a whole has been successful. It's not racism when a minority/disadvantaged group is given a leg up on a group that already has an advantage. The effect is so minimal that it really isn't worth discussing.
- gambiting 12y ago
  How has it been successful? Some people got admitted to university on the basis of their skin color, while some other people got rejected based on their skin color. How is this a success?
  - intopieces 12y ago
    Skin color is not the only factor of admissions, so your reduction of the situation to being one is not appropriate. It is a success in that people who might have previously been unable to attend college are admitted to college, and given scholarships for needy/minority students. We need not worry about the fate of middle class white people like me.
mattmurdog 12y ago
Asians from poor neighborhoods still are because they're Asian. And if they are male, then they are even more discriminated against than Asian women who are both "female" and "Asian". Basically Asian in general regardless if you're from overseas or from NY, you're getting shafted. And if you're male... good luck, you better have a 5.0 GPA and be the captain of the football team to get in any where.