This is my experience as well. I have seen horrible code bases on rails projects and horrible projects in java and .net etc. Funny thing is a lot of the proje

This is my experience as well. I have seen horrible code bases on rails projects and horrible projects in java and .net etc. Funny thing is a lot of the projects that were a mess because the devs could not manage the pressure the businesses put on them which made for some real bad decisions. The devs themselves were actually pretty good and knew the code base had gotten out of hand. So now whenever someone says "oh this company wont use X because they got burned by those programmers" my internal alarms instantly start going off that the problem is more than likely the managers of the business.