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Deadlifts. That's why I do them.

by seekingtruth 12y ago

AlisdairO 12y ago
So you've never wanted to achieve something but found it too hard to take the necessary steps to do so?
- seekingtruth 12y ago
  No.
  - AlisdairO 12y ago
    Fair enough. I'd say that you're either a deeply unusual person, or that you don't want or have to do much that genuinely pushes your self control.
    - seekingtruth 12y ago
      Self-control is a skill, not an inherent trait. It can be mastered and become almost effortless.
      - AlisdairO 12y ago
        Being unchallenged can also give the illusion of having fantastic self control. My wife stays slender, in large part because she has no desire to eat to excess, and is sated by small quantities of sweet food. By contrast, staying thin same costs me a monumental effort. How can you possibly know whether you have superior self control or are simply lucky?
        seekingtruth 12y ago
        What is challenging is dealing with the finiteness of time. Having to prioritize my list of what I want to do/learn and slowly progress through it. Sometimes new things suddenly come up and move their way to a high priority. Other things will, at times, be moved down the list according to changes in my interest level or circumstances. But what is an entirely foreign experience to me is having something I want to do, arriving at the time to do it, and just... not doing it. I can only think that people who have this kind of experience must be suffering from self-deception or dissonance between what they believe they want and what they really do want. Like the student who tries his damnedest on exam day but has not spent any time familiarizing himself with the course material. What we want is revealed by our behavior, not what we think. What I actually am is what I do. As to the particular topic at hand, it is a core value of mine to keep my body as able as possible for as long as possible. My body is the vessel that conveys my existence through time-space and getting the most out of that existence requires optimizing my fitness. If I were to wake up one day twenty pounds overweight and pre-hypertensive, remedying that situation would shoot up my priority list. It would become an emergency situation that would simply have to be dealt with as expeditiously as possible. So when I hear people talk about how much they "really want" to lose weight but then present no behavioral evidence to support that statement, I can only conclude they they are either simply lying for the sake of garnering social approval or are deluding themselves as to their true desires.
        AlisdairO 12y ago
        I'm absolutely sure they're deluding themselves or lying. What i rationally want and what my lower systems want are fundamentally at odds. My inner passion for overeating threatens to overwhelm my logical mind every day. I think when people say they want to lose weight, they mean that they wish they didn't have that extreme compulsion to eat that overwhelms their rational processes. Or that they could overcome it. What bugs me is that people view it as a simple matter of self control, when it's actually about self control versus strength of desire. If your desires aren't that strong, it's easy to look like you have an iron will.
  - cbd1984 12y ago
    Then you've never really set your sights very high. That, or you're lying through your teeth.
    - seekingtruth 12y ago
      I do as I please. Whether others consider the goals I set for myself sufficiently challenging or making the most of my "potential" does not concern me in the least.
cbd1984 12y ago
If that's the only thing you do you find hard you're intellectually deficient by choice and therefore not worth listening to.
- seekingtruth 12y ago
  Learning new things is fun. Lifting twice my bodyweight for reps is hard work. You sound like a typical fatty harboring the delusion that fit people are incapable of excelling at anything other than being fit. This is a particularly laughable notion given the clear evidence that low IQ is positively correlated with obesity [1] (and, likewise, physical fitness is positively correlated with higher IQ and cognitive function). 1. http://personal.lse.ac.uk/kanazawa/pdfs/COEDO2014.pdf http://personal.lse.ac.uk/kanazawa/pdfs/COEDO2014.pdf
  - cbd1984 12y ago
    And you sound like a typical asshole with a hugely inflated opinion of your own intelligence, which negatively correlates with actually having one.
    - seekingtruth 12y ago
      Well, these things do vary over a lifetime but, in most cases, not by much: http://i.imgur.com/hRaXDDQ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/hRaXDDQ.jpg
      - adl 12y ago
        Have you had a Baron-Cohen EQ test?
        seekingtruth 12y ago
        I am not autistic but fuck you for asking.

Deadlifts. That's why I do them.

AlisdairO 12y ago

So you've never wanted to achieve something but found it too hard to take the necessary steps to do so?

seekingtruth 12y ago
No.
- AlisdairO 12y ago
  Fair enough. I'd say that you're either a deeply unusual person, or that you don't want or have to do much that genuinely pushes your self control.
  - seekingtruth 12y ago
    Self-control is a skill, not an inherent trait. It can be mastered and become almost effortless.
    - AlisdairO 12y ago
      Being unchallenged can also give the illusion of having fantastic self control. My wife stays slender, in large part because she has no desire to eat to excess, and is sated by small quantities of sweet food. By contrast, staying thin same costs me a monumental effort. How can you possibly know whether you have superior self control or are simply lucky?
      - seekingtruth 12y ago
        What is challenging is dealing with the finiteness of time. Having to prioritize my list of what I want to do/learn and slowly progress through it. Sometimes new things suddenly come up and move their way to a high priority. Other things will, at times, be moved down the list according to changes in my interest level or circumstances. But what is an entirely foreign experience to me is having something I want to do, arriving at the time to do it, and just... not doing it. I can only think that people who have this kind of experience must be suffering from self-deception or dissonance between what they believe they want and what they really do want. Like the student who tries his damnedest on exam day but has not spent any time familiarizing himself with the course material. What we want is revealed by our behavior, not what we think. What I actually am is what I do. As to the particular topic at hand, it is a core value of mine to keep my body as able as possible for as long as possible. My body is the vessel that conveys my existence through time-space and getting the most out of that existence requires optimizing my fitness. If I were to wake up one day twenty pounds overweight and pre-hypertensive, remedying that situation would shoot up my priority list. It would become an emergency situation that would simply have to be dealt with as expeditiously as possible. So when I hear people talk about how much they "really want" to lose weight but then present no behavioral evidence to support that statement, I can only conclude they they are either simply lying for the sake of garnering social approval or are deluding themselves as to their true desires.
        AlisdairO 12y ago
        I'm absolutely sure they're deluding themselves or lying. What i rationally want and what my lower systems want are fundamentally at odds. My inner passion for overeating threatens to overwhelm my logical mind every day. I think when people say they want to lose weight, they mean that they wish they didn't have that extreme compulsion to eat that overwhelms their rational processes. Or that they could overcome it. What bugs me is that people view it as a simple matter of self control, when it's actually about self control versus strength of desire. If your desires aren't that strong, it's easy to look like you have an iron will.
- cbd1984 12y ago
  Then you've never really set your sights very high. That, or you're lying through your teeth.
  - seekingtruth 12y ago
    I do as I please. Whether others consider the goals I set for myself sufficiently challenging or making the most of my "potential" does not concern me in the least.

cbd1984 12y ago

If that's the only thing you do you find hard you're intellectually deficient by choice and therefore not worth listening to.

seekingtruth 12y ago
Learning new things is fun. Lifting twice my bodyweight for reps is hard work. You sound like a typical fatty harboring the delusion that fit people are incapable of excelling at anything other than being fit. This is a particularly laughable notion given the clear evidence that low IQ is positively correlated with obesity [1] (and, likewise, physical fitness is positively correlated with higher IQ and cognitive function). 1. http://personal.lse.ac.uk/kanazawa/pdfs/COEDO2014.pdf http://personal.lse.ac.uk/kanazawa/pdfs/COEDO2014.pdf
- cbd1984 12y ago
  And you sound like a typical asshole with a hugely inflated opinion of your own intelligence, which negatively correlates with actually having one.
  - seekingtruth 12y ago
    Well, these things do vary over a lifetime but, in most cases, not by much: http://i.imgur.com/hRaXDDQ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/hRaXDDQ.jpg
    - adl 12y ago
      Have you had a Baron-Cohen EQ test?
      - seekingtruth 12y ago
        I am not autistic but fuck you for asking.