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Not that I've ever taken it, because that would be illegal and wrong because drugs are bad and wrong, but if I did, it's pretty miserable at 500mg/day for multi

by perardi 12y ago

Not that I've ever taken it, because that would be illegal and wrong because drugs are bad and wrong, but if I did, it's pretty miserable at 500mg/day for multiple days. It's like suffering through a bad flu. Hot, sweaty, lethargic, gastrointestinal upset…it's unpleasant. The worst thing is the insomnia brought on by the night sweats. I live in a cold, cold Midwestern city, and I was sleeping with the windows open. But, 15 pounds down in 2 weeks. While eating like 2200cal/day.

Killah911 12y ago
How long ago? And have you been able to keep it off?
- TEMPLEOS_DEV 12y ago
  It's just calories-in-calories-out. You can keep it off if you then eat below your TDEE.
  - CyberDildonics 12y ago
    It isn't that simple. Fructose plays a much different role in lipogenesis than other foods.
    - TEMPLEOS_DEV 12y ago
      Then don't eat fructose.
      - WillPostForFood 12y ago
        Exactly, it is more complicated than calories-in-calories-out.
        cbd1984 12y ago
        Calories in calories out is physics nothing can override or circumvent. It's a basic plausibility test. Fructose obeys the same laws as everything else. It might be harder to hit a calorie target if you eat fructose but if you do, that's it. It has to work. Anyone who disputes this is scientifically illiterate.
        seekingtruth 12y ago
        > Anyone who disputes this is scientifically illiterate. Well, those who possess a lower IQ are more likely to become obese. So perhaps not understanding the way the universe works is how they wind up obese in the first place. Not too surprising, then, that they would be unable to comprehend how to get themselves out of that state. And there is certainly no shortage of charlatans and mountebanks out there all too ready to lead them astray.
        seekingtruth 12y ago
        For the person who downvoted: http://personal.lse.ac.uk/kanazawa/pdfs/COEDO2014.pdf http://personal.lse.ac.uk/kanazawa/pdfs/COEDO2014.pdf
        CyberDildonics 12y ago
        Well, speaking of illiterate, no one actually disputed that. It still is, however a gross oversimplification. Fructose is dense in calories, easily absorbed (which is calories in, not necessarily the food you swallow), contributes heavily to lipogenesis, and does not inhibit leptin, a hormone that controls hunger. Lots of data and an entertaining presentation, which starts by addressing calories in and calories out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z5X0i92OZQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z5X0i92OZQ
        cbd1984 12y ago
        "Sugar: The Bitter Truth" and Lustig's work in general is highly questionable. http://www.heartacademy.org/phpwcms/index.php?the-poisonous-truth-about-sugar http://www.heartacademy.org/phpwcms/index.php?the-poisonous-... http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/brainwaves/2013/07/15/is-sugar-really-toxic-sifting-through-the-evidence/ http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/brainwaves/2013/07/15/is...
        TEMPLEOS_DEV 12y ago
        No. It's not. Lipogenesis won't happen if your body is in a catabolic state which you get by a caloric deficit. You don't need to use a fancy model. Fructose is more likely to be used as liver fat. But, that doesn't mean it's impossible to lose weight.
    - aaxe 12y ago
      Wow no.
- perardi 12y ago
  Um, 5 days ago, in preparation for a vacation. Again, theoretically.
  - darkmighty 12y ago
    Any other concerning side effects, if one were to use this? (or, why is it an illegal drug?)
    - TEMPLEOS_DEV 12y ago
      The overheating leading to death if you dose it wrong is at the top of the list. The difference between this DNP and the DNP you can buy on the blackmarket is that the DNP used in these modern fatty-liver studies is time released in smaller doses. Users can expect to lose about ~1lb/day. But, it is very hard on you. You want to learn how to lose weight on a caloric deficit and macronutrient partitioning, about 1lb/week, and stick to a diet for at least a year before you even consider this. Otherwise, you don't have the right habits.

by perardi 12y ago

Killah911 12y ago

How long ago? And have you been able to keep it off?

TEMPLEOS_DEV 12y ago
It's just calories-in-calories-out. You can keep it off if you then eat below your TDEE.
- CyberDildonics 12y ago
  It isn't that simple. Fructose plays a much different role in lipogenesis than other foods.
  - TEMPLEOS_DEV 12y ago
    Then don't eat fructose.
    - WillPostForFood 12y ago
      Exactly, it is more complicated than calories-in-calories-out.
      - cbd1984 12y ago
        Calories in calories out is physics nothing can override or circumvent. It's a basic plausibility test. Fructose obeys the same laws as everything else. It might be harder to hit a calorie target if you eat fructose but if you do, that's it. It has to work. Anyone who disputes this is scientifically illiterate.
        seekingtruth 12y ago
        > Anyone who disputes this is scientifically illiterate. Well, those who possess a lower IQ are more likely to become obese. So perhaps not understanding the way the universe works is how they wind up obese in the first place. Not too surprising, then, that they would be unable to comprehend how to get themselves out of that state. And there is certainly no shortage of charlatans and mountebanks out there all too ready to lead them astray.
        seekingtruth 12y ago
        For the person who downvoted: http://personal.lse.ac.uk/kanazawa/pdfs/COEDO2014.pdf http://personal.lse.ac.uk/kanazawa/pdfs/COEDO2014.pdf
        CyberDildonics 12y ago
        Well, speaking of illiterate, no one actually disputed that. It still is, however a gross oversimplification. Fructose is dense in calories, easily absorbed (which is calories in, not necessarily the food you swallow), contributes heavily to lipogenesis, and does not inhibit leptin, a hormone that controls hunger. Lots of data and an entertaining presentation, which starts by addressing calories in and calories out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z5X0i92OZQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z5X0i92OZQ
        cbd1984 12y ago
        "Sugar: The Bitter Truth" and Lustig's work in general is highly questionable. http://www.heartacademy.org/phpwcms/index.php?the-poisonous-truth-about-sugar http://www.heartacademy.org/phpwcms/index.php?the-poisonous-... http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/brainwaves/2013/07/15/is-sugar-really-toxic-sifting-through-the-evidence/ http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/brainwaves/2013/07/15/is...
      - TEMPLEOS_DEV 12y ago
        No. It's not. Lipogenesis won't happen if your body is in a catabolic state which you get by a caloric deficit. You don't need to use a fancy model. Fructose is more likely to be used as liver fat. But, that doesn't mean it's impossible to lose weight.
  - aaxe 12y ago
    Wow no.
perardi 12y ago
Um, 5 days ago, in preparation for a vacation. Again, theoretically.
- darkmighty 12y ago
  Any other concerning side effects, if one were to use this? (or, why is it an illegal drug?)
  - TEMPLEOS_DEV 12y ago
    The overheating leading to death if you dose it wrong is at the top of the list. The difference between this DNP and the DNP you can buy on the blackmarket is that the DNP used in these modern fatty-liver studies is time released in smaller doses. Users can expect to lose about ~1lb/day. But, it is very hard on you. You want to learn how to lose weight on a caloric deficit and macronutrient partitioning, about 1lb/week, and stick to a diet for at least a year before you even consider this. Otherwise, you don't have the right habits.