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"markets-solve-everything" When did I say that? I actually said explicitly that I believe in minimum wage. That already puts me well out of free-market funda
by VikingCoder 12y ago
"markets-solve-everything"
When did I say that?
I actually said explicitly that I believe in minimum wage. That already puts me well out of free-market fundamentalism.
If you've read some of my comments on HN, you'll see that I'm also in favor of regulation.
I happen to also believe that a Basic Living Standard is necessary.
I wish we had single-payer health care.
And I'm all for free, socialized education. (With BLS [stipend] on top of it.)
So, no, I'd say I fall WELL outside of the free-market fundamentalism you're referring to.
So, when you call me willfully ignorant, it's pretty damned offensive.
I happen to think data entry is demeaning. Some people enjoy it. I think busing tables is demeaning. Some people enjoy it. I have a friend who loves moving boxes in a factory, because he has free time to think about his poetry. I would never want to sell tooth paste to a super-market chain. Some people like to deal cards at casinos. Some like to sell pull-tabs. Some are waiters and airline stewards. Some people clean bedpans. Some clean houses after grisly murders.
Some people LOVE being a concierge. Well, this is a digital concierge service. And just because you and bendoernberg think it's menial and degrading, doesn't mean IT SHOULD BE ILLEGAL TO OFFER THAT JOB. Or, that we as a culture should be embarrassed that job exists.
If a person hates their job, I want to give them every chance to get out of that job. Every chance. But you're angry the job exists... regardless of whether someone WANTS to do it, for the pay they receive?
> we are not acting with sufficient empathy toward the people who are doing the work
I can't imagine why you think that of me. My grandpa worked four jobs at a time, sometime - because he grew up during the Great Depression, and if you can get work, you work. He set bowling pins. He delivered milk. He drove a school bus. He laid brick. All kinds of crap. Meanwhile, I TYPE in an air-conditioned building, and they pay me VASTLY more than he ever earned. It's ridiculous. And my peers are upset because the product owner violated the spirit of Agile when he made them change priorities mid-sprint (because we were shipping defective product). WHAT? GET OVER YOURSELF!
I want affordable housing. I want upward mobility. I want meritocracy and elbow grease. I want a safety net, and government-supplied-bootstraps. I want people to be able to declare bankruptcy, unlike today. I want an immigration system that's less like the mythical Labyrinth, and has empathy for immigrants.
So, are you really "solving my ignorance," or are you reading WAY TOO MUCH into one line of thought - and then running with it, half-cocked, and totally arrogant?
- wpietri 12y agoWell hello, drama. I'm not commenting on your entire history as person, let alone going back generations. My comments are about what you wrote here, in the things I responded to. You might be Mother Teresa, but "Just don't take that job. Problem solved," demonstrates willful ignorance. And then "Sheesh" implies people are stupid for even asking, encouraging willful ignorance generally. If that's in conflict with what you believe, well, maybe you should try writing something different next time.
- VikingCoder 12y agoDrama? You called me "willfully ignorant." That's an insult. I'll note you haven't actually engaged me in conversation here, AT ALL. All you've done is name-called, and then criticized me. Can't you see how the combination of a secure net, PLUS a free market where you are free to not take a job, results in people having jobs that they want? As in, "Problem solved." The problem is not that there are jobs that you find degrading - the problem is there's no safety net, so people HAVE TO TAKE THOSE JOBS. Or do you want ignore the actual topic, and just poke me with a stick, some more?
- wpietri 12y agoNo, I said a comment was an example of the willful ignorance the previous poster was pointing out. You may or may not be personally ignorant; I couldn't know. But that comment ignored the actual reality. The reality here that people are not always free to not take jobs. It is something the HN glibertarian contingent continually ignores, which is precisely the point bendoernberg when you jumped in. The problem is not solved until it is actually solved, not just because it might be solved in some imaginary world you are partial to. Engagement in conversation is not something you are entitled to. It is earned. You seem to think you're entitled to make facile comments and then not have those comments challenged. And when they are, you turn it into personal drama apparently so that you don't have to face dealing with what you've actually said. I have no idea why you think that makes you an appealing person to have a conversation with.
- 12y ago