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"Most of us find significant qualitative differences between using a radio and a web browser or even an app." Even from this statement, I can tell you don't kn

"Most of us find significant qualitative differences between using a radio and a web browser or even an app." Even from this statement, I can tell you don't know what I am even talking about. Using is much different than broadcasting. "Yes, it is. People are freely expressing their disagreement with your fallacy-laden arguments." Down voting is not disagreeing. It's silencing. Disagreeing would be actually having a point and having a civil debate. I see none of that here. Saying it is a "fallacy" doesn't count. I'm tired of arguing with people that want their rights taken away. When and if it happens, I will have enough money to just buy what I need anyway.

anigbrowl 12y ago
I understand perfectly well what you are talking about. I just think your ideas are foolish. Also, I have no difficulty in reading your posts despite the downvotes they have received, so I'm not sure why you feel you're being silenced. Clearly, this conversation isn't going anywhere, though.
- paulhauggis 12y ago
  "I understand perfectly well what you are talking about. I just think your ideas are foolish. " I suppose you sign contracts before looking at them? If so, let's do business! This is essentially what has happened with the American people and you have nothing to say about it..except personally attacking me. I find this suspect. Everything I have said is fact: There are 700 regulations, which will control the state of Internet in the US, which absolutely have not been seen by the American public before being passed into law. This is scary. I'm still unsure why there are so many people that just don't care. We can have Net Neutrality in less than 700 regulations. The foolishness of the American people is why I have lots of money saved to get out of the country when it finally implodes due to pure laziness. I have no sympathy going forward..and yes, if there are undesirable consequences, it is your fault.
  - dragonwriter 12y ago
    > Everything I have said is fact: Then you should be able to provide the evidence supporting the claims. Lets start with this one: > There are 700 regulations Really? Where is the evidence for this "fact". > which absolutely have not been seen by the American public before being passed into law. They are adopted as regulation (under the law, not as law) and will be published before they become effective, and may be changed (e.g., by legislative action) if the American people are sufficiently unhappy with them to compel their Congressional representatives to act.
    - paulhauggis 12y ago
      "Really? Where is the evidence for this "fact"." Okay. Now you aren't even admitting that there are regulations. Wow. Just Wow. "They are adopted as regulation (under the law, not as law) and will be published before they become effective, and may be changed (e.g., by legislative action) if the American people are sufficiently unhappy with them to compel their Congressional representatives to act." Have fun with that. Like I said. I don't want to hear one person coming on HN complaining about worse conditions after these new laws are passed. I'm going to say this now: I told you so.
      - dragonwriter 12y ago
        > Now you aren't even admitting that there are regulations. No, I'm asking for support for your claim that there are 700 new regulations. That the as-yet unpublished order contains regulations is a different claim than that it contains 700 new regulations. > I don't want to hear one person coming on HN complaining about worse conditions after these new laws are passed. What new laws?
        paulhauggis 12y ago
        I'm tired of you playing semantics to try to win the argument. I would rather discuss this with someone that has some actual substance.

anigbrowl 12y ago

I understand perfectly well what you are talking about. I just think your ideas are foolish. Also, I have no difficulty in reading your posts despite the downvotes they have received, so I'm not sure why you feel you're being silenced. Clearly, this conversation isn't going anywhere, though.

paulhauggis 12y ago
"I understand perfectly well what you are talking about. I just think your ideas are foolish. " I suppose you sign contracts before looking at them? If so, let's do business! This is essentially what has happened with the American people and you have nothing to say about it..except personally attacking me. I find this suspect. Everything I have said is fact: There are 700 regulations, which will control the state of Internet in the US, which absolutely have not been seen by the American public before being passed into law. This is scary. I'm still unsure why there are so many people that just don't care. We can have Net Neutrality in less than 700 regulations. The foolishness of the American people is why I have lots of money saved to get out of the country when it finally implodes due to pure laziness. I have no sympathy going forward..and yes, if there are undesirable consequences, it is your fault.
- dragonwriter 12y ago
  > Everything I have said is fact: Then you should be able to provide the evidence supporting the claims. Lets start with this one: > There are 700 regulations Really? Where is the evidence for this "fact". > which absolutely have not been seen by the American public before being passed into law. They are adopted as regulation (under the law, not as law) and will be published before they become effective, and may be changed (e.g., by legislative action) if the American people are sufficiently unhappy with them to compel their Congressional representatives to act.
  - paulhauggis 12y ago
    "Really? Where is the evidence for this "fact"." Okay. Now you aren't even admitting that there are regulations. Wow. Just Wow. "They are adopted as regulation (under the law, not as law) and will be published before they become effective, and may be changed (e.g., by legislative action) if the American people are sufficiently unhappy with them to compel their Congressional representatives to act." Have fun with that. Like I said. I don't want to hear one person coming on HN complaining about worse conditions after these new laws are passed. I'm going to say this now: I told you so.
    - dragonwriter 12y ago
      > Now you aren't even admitting that there are regulations. No, I'm asking for support for your claim that there are 700 new regulations. That the as-yet unpublished order contains regulations is a different claim than that it contains 700 new regulations. > I don't want to hear one person coming on HN complaining about worse conditions after these new laws are passed. What new laws?
      - paulhauggis 12y ago
        I'm tired of you playing semantics to try to win the argument. I would rather discuss this with someone that has some actual substance.