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Oh man I love it! There's no way Joyent is going to say yes to this, and the best part is that these are absolutely reasonable, sensible proposals. I grok that

Oh man I love it! There's no way Joyent is going to say yes to this, and the best part is that these are absolutely reasonable, sensible proposals. I grok that io.js core devs are totally serious about merging back into Node, but there's no way Joyent is going to go for this. I expect at best a counter-proposal (that may not even be public) that doesn't do these points justice. The ball is absolutely in Joyent's court, and whatever happens next will be at least entertaining.

cpeterso 12y ago
I have read plenty about the io.js project's technical and political frustrations, but I have not seen much on Joyent's position. I don't understand why Joyent let Node languish when it is an extremely popular project and apparently a significant part of their business. Recalling the GCC/EGCS schism in the late 1990s, I predict that Joyent will support Node 0.12 as an LTS release and io.js will become Node™ master. http://www.softpanorama.org/People/Stallman/history_of_gcc_development.shtml http://www.softpanorama.org/People/Stallman/history_of_gcc_d...
jsprogrammer 12y ago
Why do you think Joyent will not say yes?
- izolate 12y ago
  Because in doing so they relinquish complete control in favor of io.js interests. I'm rooting for io.js, but this proposal amounts to what is essentially a takeover, not a merge.
- dagw 12y ago
  Because 'owning' Node is one of Joyent's big unique selling points.
Tarang 12y ago
> these are absolutely reasonable, sensible proposals No they aren't. If you look at the changes to the Technical Comittee. The proposal is to add 3 members to it. I can't help but think there are way more people at Joyent. The TC seems to have alot of power on the direction of the project. It doesn't seem reasonable to effectively stage a coup on node and ask Joyent to give up control over it.
- Already__Taken 12y ago
  I'm only a casual observer in this but to me it seems like Joyent pulled the coup. Node always used a benevolent dictator model but it seems lots of people don't like this being a corporate entity instead of some single guy to ping on github.
  - Tarang 12y ago
    I know what you mean I feel the same way. I'm referring to only this proposal iojs have put forth, the proposals aren't as reasonable as claimed and joyents going to sideline it to my discontent.
uptownJimmy 12y ago
What is there to love, precisely? I must admit, I had some weird notion when I first started programming that the world of software geeks might be just a little bit less drama-centric than the rest of the human world, but I was very wrong. The soap-operatic emotions around Node are amazing to me. Good lord, it's JavaScript on the server, not royal palace intrigue...
- serve_yay 12y ago
  Yes, software development involves humans, like many other human endeavors.

cpeterso 12y ago

I have read plenty about the io.js project's technical and political frustrations, but I have not seen much on Joyent's position. I don't understand why Joyent let Node languish when it is an extremely popular project and apparently a significant part of their business. Recalling the GCC/EGCS schism in the late 1990s, I predict that Joyent will support Node 0.12 as an LTS release and io.js will become Node™ master. http://www.softpanorama.org/People/Stallman/history_of_gcc_development.shtml http://www.softpanorama.org/People/Stallman/history_of_gcc_d...

jsprogrammer 12y ago

Why do you think Joyent will not say yes?

izolate 12y ago
Because in doing so they relinquish complete control in favor of io.js interests. I'm rooting for io.js, but this proposal amounts to what is essentially a takeover, not a merge.
dagw 12y ago
Because 'owning' Node is one of Joyent's big unique selling points.

Tarang 12y ago

> these are absolutely reasonable, sensible proposals No they aren't. If you look at the changes to the Technical Comittee. The proposal is to add 3 members to it. I can't help but think there are way more people at Joyent. The TC seems to have alot of power on the direction of the project. It doesn't seem reasonable to effectively stage a coup on node and ask Joyent to give up control over it.

Already__Taken 12y ago
I'm only a casual observer in this but to me it seems like Joyent pulled the coup. Node always used a benevolent dictator model but it seems lots of people don't like this being a corporate entity instead of some single guy to ping on github.
- Tarang 12y ago
  I know what you mean I feel the same way. I'm referring to only this proposal iojs have put forth, the proposals aren't as reasonable as claimed and joyents going to sideline it to my discontent.

uptownJimmy 12y ago

What is there to love, precisely? I must admit, I had some weird notion when I first started programming that the world of software geeks might be just a little bit less drama-centric than the rest of the human world, but I was very wrong. The soap-operatic emotions around Node are amazing to me. Good lord, it's JavaScript on the server, not royal palace intrigue...

serve_yay 12y ago
Yes, software development involves humans, like many other human endeavors.