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> Brendan Eich was purged from Mozilla No. He exercised his free speech, others exercised their freedom of association. People didn't like that, necessarily, b

by cbd1984 12y ago

> Brendan Eich was purged from Mozilla No. He exercised his free speech, others exercised their freedom of association. People didn't like that, necessarily, but that's life. Calling it Stalinist is just a way to demonize your opponents. > The Left has captured a whole bunch of fields like science Wrong. What happened was that the GOP decided that the science in some issues is contrary to their party line, and began to deny it. There is no "Liberal Science", "Conservative Science", "Jewish Science", or "German Science", just science backed by evidence and non-evidence-based denials thereof. Just because the news media gives you time doesn't mean you have a valid argument; just because you have a vested interest in something being wrong doesn't make it wrong.

hga 12y ago
It appears you missed my point about the Left capturing fields, it refers to this sort of thing: https://www.google.com/search?q=no+irish https://www.google.com/search?q=no+irish As in I wouldn't try to become a scientist today, vs. back in the '80s, I'd have to avoid fields captured by the Left's Gleichschaltung. In that sense, there was a "German Science", more specifically Deutsche Physik, in that no Jews were allowed to participate. And no need to go off in partisan weeds, let alone imply there's much overlap between conservatives and Republicans.
- cbd1984 12y ago
  Scientists don't care if you're left or right as long as you do good work. The fact party-line GOP dogma prevents scientists from doing good work in some fields is not science's problem, and does not represent scientists ousting conservatives from science.
  - hga 12y ago
    James Watson, co-discoverer of the structure of DNA, would beg to differ. You're also ignoring what it takes to get to the point of being able to do good work (ugrad -> grad -> postdoc -> (in the academic track) professor -> tenure), and that the funding for such work is governed by politics, not "science". ClimateGate showed us how bad that can get. As for the GOP, they're irrelevant to this discussion, except for the obvious fact they live rent free in your brain.
    - cbd1984 12y ago
      Climategate is not a real scandal and your mention of it just proves that you have bought in to the GOP's anti-science narrative. Your further accusation that I let the GOP get to me is just insults without basis. You have proved that you have no idea what you're talking about and have no interest in a rational discussion.
      - hga 12y ago
        "Climategate is not a real scandal" You aren't going to get very far telling that to anyone who's read the emails in it (their provenance confirmed by the authors), and the diary of the programmer who tried and failed to get their code and data repeating what it had previously done and what that process also revealed, like "hide the decline". Your under the impression that I'm following a party line, as, opposed to, you know, being something of a scientist myself (MIT Class of '83, degree unfinished due to $$$; heck, I'm even old enough to remember when anthropogenic global cooling was the "scientific consensus"). I actually study original sources before making judgments like this, such as the 1982 TTAPS Nuclear Winter paper in Science (the AAAS journal); I don't need a political party I loathe at the national level to tell me what to think, thus you utterly fail in your attempt to DISQUALIFY me by guilt by association, which your side also labels as McCarthyism. And ClimateGate was a dump of emails and data from the Climatic Research Unit of the University of East Anglia, in Norwich, England. I was unaware the GOP's tentacles reached all the way across the Atlantic!
        GFK_of_xmaspast 12y ago
        You can't call yourself "class of X" unless you graduated.
        hga 12y ago
        Well, that's not how MIT works, and I think it's clearer than saying "matriculated at MIT in the fall of 1979".
        cbd1984 12y ago

by cbd1984 12y ago

hga 12y ago

It appears you missed my point about the Left capturing fields, it refers to this sort of thing: https://www.google.com/search?q=no+irish https://www.google.com/search?q=no+irish As in I wouldn't try to become a scientist today, vs. back in the '80s, I'd have to avoid fields captured by the Left's Gleichschaltung. In that sense, there was a "German Science", more specifically Deutsche Physik, in that no Jews were allowed to participate. And no need to go off in partisan weeds, let alone imply there's much overlap between conservatives and Republicans.

cbd1984 12y ago
Scientists don't care if you're left or right as long as you do good work. The fact party-line GOP dogma prevents scientists from doing good work in some fields is not science's problem, and does not represent scientists ousting conservatives from science.
- hga 12y ago
  James Watson, co-discoverer of the structure of DNA, would beg to differ. You're also ignoring what it takes to get to the point of being able to do good work (ugrad -> grad -> postdoc -> (in the academic track) professor -> tenure), and that the funding for such work is governed by politics, not "science". ClimateGate showed us how bad that can get. As for the GOP, they're irrelevant to this discussion, except for the obvious fact they live rent free in your brain.
  - cbd1984 12y ago
    Climategate is not a real scandal and your mention of it just proves that you have bought in to the GOP's anti-science narrative. Your further accusation that I let the GOP get to me is just insults without basis. You have proved that you have no idea what you're talking about and have no interest in a rational discussion.
    - hga 12y ago
      "Climategate is not a real scandal" You aren't going to get very far telling that to anyone who's read the emails in it (their provenance confirmed by the authors), and the diary of the programmer who tried and failed to get their code and data repeating what it had previously done and what that process also revealed, like "hide the decline". Your under the impression that I'm following a party line, as, opposed to, you know, being something of a scientist myself (MIT Class of '83, degree unfinished due to $$$; heck, I'm even old enough to remember when anthropogenic global cooling was the "scientific consensus"). I actually study original sources before making judgments like this, such as the 1982 TTAPS Nuclear Winter paper in Science (the AAAS journal); I don't need a political party I loathe at the national level to tell me what to think, thus you utterly fail in your attempt to DISQUALIFY me by guilt by association, which your side also labels as McCarthyism. And ClimateGate was a dump of emails and data from the Climatic Research Unit of the University of East Anglia, in Norwich, England. I was unaware the GOP's tentacles reached all the way across the Atlantic!
      - GFK_of_xmaspast 12y ago
        You can't call yourself "class of X" unless you graduated.
        hga 12y ago
        Well, that's not how MIT works, and I think it's clearer than saying "matriculated at MIT in the fall of 1979".
      - cbd1984 12y ago