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Have you used IE in the past few years? IE is (by far) already the fastest browser on my two Windows 10 machines right now. That was also the case when they wer

by Encosia 12y ago

Have you used IE in the past few years? IE is (by far) already the fastest browser on my two Windows 10 machines right now. That was also the case when they were running Windows 8 and 8.1 in the past. The latest versions of IE make Chrome feel like Netscape Communicator 4, and they're noticeably faster than Firefox too. If it had a nice LastPass extension, Ghostery, Buffer, and a few others, I'd probably be using IE as my default browser right now.

blacksmith_tb 12y ago
Sadly, judging from FF and Chrome both, extensions lead to unavoidable slowdowns. Which makes them a "can't live with them, can't live without them" proposition. Every time I create a new profile, I am shocked by how fast it is. Then the avalanche of ads and tracking pixels forces me to install ABE or uBlock, and the downward spiral begins.
- Encosia 12y ago
  Definitely, that's probably one of the biggest dangers of opening IE up to more extensions. On Windows at least, the divide between Chrome/FF and IE is more fundamental though. Last month, I spent a week really seriously trying to evaluate switching to Firefox or IE, using equivalent extensions (essentially just LastPass, IIRC). Chrome was still awfully clunky compared to Win10's IE TP, especially around touch scroll/zoom/swipe inputs.
- rhengles 12y ago
  I think MS already has a solution for this. http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2010/09/17/add-ons-staying-in-control-of-your-browsing-experience.aspx http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2010/09/17/add-ons-stayin...
icantthinkofone 12y ago
Speed is not the mark of a good browser. If you are using speed as your mark, then you have never coded for the web and have never gone through the trials and tribulations of IE. If speed was the target, then Lynx would be the best of browsers. http://html5test.com/ http://html5test.com/ http://css3test.com/ http://css3test.com/
- Encosia 12y ago
  Err, Chrome's absolute #1 selling point for at least the first year or so was speed, e.g.: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7VNjGuSK_k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7VNjGuSK_k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaNpWJY9SEs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaNpWJY9SEs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrDHrwLUtvk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrDHrwLUtvk I agree that speed isn't everything, but switching to IE is often a relief these days when Chrome has managed to spin up my Surface 3 Pro's fan yet again just browsing average sites. > then you have never coded for the web and have never gone through the trials and tribulations of IE I've been developing for the web since before any version of IE existed. You?
  - icantthinkofone 12y ago
    Speed is NEVER the mark of a good browser. It can be a point on a list but, if it fails to properly implement standards or work in all devices, that's a failed browser. It's not the whole picture. But you say you agree with my point. If your Surface 3 can't handle the computing needs of a browser, that's not a resounding recommendation for owning a Surface. As far as developing for the web, I've own a web dev company for 10 years and, among our list of clients, we manage two web sites you have visited before, one of which you probably visit every week or so. I was also, once, invited to work at Mozilla but declined. Does that answer your question?
    - Encosia 12y ago
      So, you're telling me that Chrome running poorly on an i7 processor (while Photoshop, Visual Studio, WebStorm, Firefox, and IE all manage to run fine) is the Surface's fault? It's awfully hard to take any of your points seriously with these lines of reasoning. Seriously though, everyone I knew who jumped from Firefox to Chrome ~5 years ago did it 100% for performance. We were switching to Chrome for speed even despite it lacking a lot of key features (e.g. dev tools, extensions, third-party cooking blocking, Flash blocking). Speed might not be the only important mark of a good browser, but it is a crucial ingredient.
- guardian5x 12y ago

by Encosia 12y ago

blacksmith_tb 12y ago

Sadly, judging from FF and Chrome both, extensions lead to unavoidable slowdowns. Which makes them a "can't live with them, can't live without them" proposition. Every time I create a new profile, I am shocked by how fast it is. Then the avalanche of ads and tracking pixels forces me to install ABE or uBlock, and the downward spiral begins.

Encosia 12y ago
Definitely, that's probably one of the biggest dangers of opening IE up to more extensions. On Windows at least, the divide between Chrome/FF and IE is more fundamental though. Last month, I spent a week really seriously trying to evaluate switching to Firefox or IE, using equivalent extensions (essentially just LastPass, IIRC). Chrome was still awfully clunky compared to Win10's IE TP, especially around touch scroll/zoom/swipe inputs.
rhengles 12y ago
I think MS already has a solution for this. http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2010/09/17/add-ons-staying-in-control-of-your-browsing-experience.aspx http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2010/09/17/add-ons-stayin...

icantthinkofone 12y ago

Speed is not the mark of a good browser. If you are using speed as your mark, then you have never coded for the web and have never gone through the trials and tribulations of IE. If speed was the target, then Lynx would be the best of browsers. http://html5test.com/ http://html5test.com/ http://css3test.com/ http://css3test.com/

Encosia 12y ago
Err, Chrome's absolute #1 selling point for at least the first year or so was speed, e.g.: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7VNjGuSK_k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7VNjGuSK_k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaNpWJY9SEs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaNpWJY9SEs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrDHrwLUtvk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrDHrwLUtvk I agree that speed isn't everything, but switching to IE is often a relief these days when Chrome has managed to spin up my Surface 3 Pro's fan yet again just browsing average sites. > then you have never coded for the web and have never gone through the trials and tribulations of IE I've been developing for the web since before any version of IE existed. You?
- icantthinkofone 12y ago
  Speed is NEVER the mark of a good browser. It can be a point on a list but, if it fails to properly implement standards or work in all devices, that's a failed browser. It's not the whole picture. But you say you agree with my point. If your Surface 3 can't handle the computing needs of a browser, that's not a resounding recommendation for owning a Surface. As far as developing for the web, I've own a web dev company for 10 years and, among our list of clients, we manage two web sites you have visited before, one of which you probably visit every week or so. I was also, once, invited to work at Mozilla but declined. Does that answer your question?
  - Encosia 12y ago
    So, you're telling me that Chrome running poorly on an i7 processor (while Photoshop, Visual Studio, WebStorm, Firefox, and IE all manage to run fine) is the Surface's fault? It's awfully hard to take any of your points seriously with these lines of reasoning. Seriously though, everyone I knew who jumped from Firefox to Chrome ~5 years ago did it 100% for performance. We were switching to Chrome for speed even despite it lacking a lot of key features (e.g. dev tools, extensions, third-party cooking blocking, Flash blocking). Speed might not be the only important mark of a good browser, but it is a crucial ingredient.
guardian5x 12y ago