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Precisely. Also, now as a utility, internet can be regulated for content, be it decency standards or political speech. Maybe not now, not next year, but what a

by mudil 12y ago

Precisely. Also, now as a utility, internet can be regulated for content, be it decency standards or political speech. Maybe not now, not next year, but what about in 5-10 years? Content is content, all bits are equal, all bits are over the same utilities. And internet as a utility is now regulated.

copsarebastards 12y ago
> Also, now as a utility, internet can be regulated for content, be it decency standards or political speech. To be frank, this isn't something I particularly fear. You're referencing TV regulation, but the main limiters on TV content are corporations owning the airwaves and people's fear of sex. The internet is not limited in space the way frequency bands are, and good luck trying to enforce pornography laws. Pornography laws are a limitation I worry about a bit, but so far I don't see any evidence that anyone is pushing for using utility regulation to limit pornography, and we can cross that bridge when (if?) we come to it.
- tsax 12y ago
  If content regulations happen, they'll come in with the new flavor of the month, i.e. 'social justice.' There will be vague statutes against 'harassment' I'm guessing, and anyone decrying their vagueness or broadness will be decried a racist, sexist shitlord. You won't get 80's style 'Christian moralism' language in 2020.
  - copsarebastards 12y ago
    > Are you suggesting it's some kind of conspiracy? Despite the Tumblr feminist movement, I don't think most people are in favor of this sort of regulation, and there isn't sufficient monetary motivation that I can see for such regulation to happen. However, I do agree that this kind of regulation would also be bad. But again: we can cross that bridge when (if?) we come to it.
    - tsax 12y ago
      Your mistake is to imagine that you have any power at all to affect such outcomes and processes. They will be guided by media/PR/social forces, not your arguments. I guess it's the universal democratic conceit of the 'we.'
orthecreedence 12y ago
So government censorship vs corporate? At least the former is a body controlled (indirectly) by public votes/opinion, whereas the latter is a monopoly that's either unaware or indifferent to consumer opinion. If the telecoms hadn't pushed their luck by starting the censorship process to begin with, we could have all sat pretty with the status quo for a while.
dragonwriter 12y ago
> Also, now as a utility, internet can be regulated for content, be it decency standards or political speech. Please point to the provision of Title II that allows content regulation, whether it be for "decency standard or political speech" or anything else?

by mudil 12y ago

copsarebastards 12y ago

> Also, now as a utility, internet can be regulated for content, be it decency standards or political speech. To be frank, this isn't something I particularly fear. You're referencing TV regulation, but the main limiters on TV content are corporations owning the airwaves and people's fear of sex. The internet is not limited in space the way frequency bands are, and good luck trying to enforce pornography laws. Pornography laws are a limitation I worry about a bit, but so far I don't see any evidence that anyone is pushing for using utility regulation to limit pornography, and we can cross that bridge when (if?) we come to it.

tsax 12y ago
If content regulations happen, they'll come in with the new flavor of the month, i.e. 'social justice.' There will be vague statutes against 'harassment' I'm guessing, and anyone decrying their vagueness or broadness will be decried a racist, sexist shitlord. You won't get 80's style 'Christian moralism' language in 2020.
- copsarebastards 12y ago
  > Are you suggesting it's some kind of conspiracy? Despite the Tumblr feminist movement, I don't think most people are in favor of this sort of regulation, and there isn't sufficient monetary motivation that I can see for such regulation to happen. However, I do agree that this kind of regulation would also be bad. But again: we can cross that bridge when (if?) we come to it.
  - tsax 12y ago
    Your mistake is to imagine that you have any power at all to affect such outcomes and processes. They will be guided by media/PR/social forces, not your arguments. I guess it's the universal democratic conceit of the 'we.'

orthecreedence 12y ago

So government censorship vs corporate? At least the former is a body controlled (indirectly) by public votes/opinion, whereas the latter is a monopoly that's either unaware or indifferent to consumer opinion. If the telecoms hadn't pushed their luck by starting the censorship process to begin with, we could have all sat pretty with the status quo for a while.

dragonwriter 12y ago

> Also, now as a utility, internet can be regulated for content, be it decency standards or political speech. Please point to the provision of Title II that allows content regulation, whether it be for "decency standard or political speech" or anything else?